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Have you ever been turned off of an author's books...

There was a Doctor Who author once upon a time, who wrote some of the most genius DW novels, which for me stand as some of the greatest DW stories ever. A few years ago, his opinions became more widely known, and unfortunately although he had many interesting things to say that encourage new ways of thinking, he couldn't say these things in a nice way. In point of fact, he seemed to become more and more blatantly discourteous and vile as time went on. Doesn't stop me from liking his fiction, but it's regrettable seeing someone sabotage themselves like that.
 
So I'll put that novel down and pick another one...

Well, Christopher and I have had more than a few curt online words over the years, but he still named a character after me and thanked me in the acknowledgments of "Ex Machina". Just as well I bought that book, eh? :bolian:

No hard feelings here!

Yet, I have every title released by Terri Osborne, Margaret Wander Bonnanno, & Jean Lorrah. Because they aren't jerks, online or in person. Come to think about it, all three are humble about their work, too.

Or, you never caught them on a bad day. I'm sure TerriO would be the first to admit she has clashed angrily with fans before. ;)

And if I'm wrong, here it comes...
 
I've got lines that can't be crossed without my walking with my wallet. But they are not the same lines that make it hard to be friends with someone, they are extreme things.

Twilight.. I won't buy those books because I won't endorse the abusive relationship they portray as a wonderful thing. However I will read them, borrowed (mostly so I can argue about them, lol)

I don't care if someone is a nasty jerk. I do care if they are promulgating ideas to the impressionable that I feel are destructive.
 
Haha, I wondered how long it would take before Christopher came up in this thread when I saw the title. I can't believe anyone would really be so upset by the rather harmless things he posts here that he would boycott his books. I think he's just a sort of super-nerd and that's why his posts sometimes sound condescending. I know some (very nice) people like that in real life, so I'd never be offended by that. And yes, I've been in lengthy discussions with him about rather pointless minutiae. It's just a message board. You should enjoy yourself.
Also, his books are really good, the closest Trek comes to hard sci-fi. So all of you boycotters are missing out on something, I think. :)


I mean, my favorite author, Michel Houellebecq, is almost universally considered to be a drunken abomination. But Goddamn can the man write.

I once saw him at a reading and I really expected someone like what you describe but he turned out to be quite a shy, polite, humble man (who even respected the ban on smoking in the room).


So at some point, barring a punch to my face, I'll definitely pick up Ex Machina or maybe Over a Torrent Sea or whatever someone recommends.

I'd recommend 'Ex Machina'. It deals with the aftermath of the first movie and judging from your avatar, this might be a period you're interested in. It's also a stand-alone book.
I personally love the Titan series (for whom Christopher has penned two books), but you should really start at the beginning of the series.
Another stand-alone book I'd recommend is 'The Buried Age', an epic tale of what Picard did between the destruction of the Stargazer and 'Mission To Farpoint'.
 
If I can still enjoy Ender's Game after reading some of Card's more... polemical rants, then I think I can safely say this will never happen to me :)
Hmmmm, I'm almost afraid to google that. Ender's Game was a great book.
Let me put it this way: Card's rants have pretty much ensured that I will never read any of his fictional works. With some artists (be they writers, actors, etc.), I can separate their works from their personality, but Orson Scott Card really rubs me the wrong way, so I don't think I could do that with him.
I don't own anything by Orson Scott Card, but the combination of his political opinions with his passionate advocacy for Firefly have occasionally made me troubled to be a Browncoat.

There's a whole subset of Firefly fandom like that--including a lot of libertarians who like the series because they think "a ship would get you work, a gun would help you keep it" sounds like a good way to live--and I've been concerned at times that I might be associated with that viewpoint because of how vocal some of those fans are.

The plan to publish original Serenity tie-in novels fell through, of course, but if one of them had ultimately been by Card, I would've debated whether to buy it or not because of this--even though an actor like Adam Baldwin can also be a staunch conservative without turning me off enough to avoid his work. I suppose it's a matter of degree.
 
There was a Doctor Who author once upon a time, who wrote some of the most genius DW novels, which for me stand as some of the greatest DW stories ever. A few years ago, his opinions became more widely known, and unfortunately although he had many interesting things to say that encourage new ways of thinking, he couldn't say these things in a nice way. In point of fact, he seemed to become more and more blatantly discourteous and vile as time went on. Doesn't stop me from liking his fiction, but it's regrettable seeing someone sabotage themselves like that.
Lawrence Miles?

I may not always agree with Miles' viewpoint -- his animus toward Steven Moffat is just bizarre, because it's all to do with a power-pat -- but when he's "on," he really makes me think. I respect his willingness to put his search for truth in Doctor Who ahead of his personal and professional concerns.

And yes, as much as I would love to see Miles write a Torchwood novel (because he could do something brilliant with it; hell, Interference is like a proto-Torchwood, but then there are a lot of things about RTD-era Who that are prefigured in Miles' work), I know it's not going to happen, because he's made himself unhirable by BBC Books.

Let me put it this way: Card's rants have pretty much ensured that I will never read any of his fictional works. With some artists (be they writers, actors, etc.), I can separate their works from their personality, but Orson Scott Card really rubs me the wrong way, so I don't think I could do that with him.

I vowed a long time ago that I would not buy anything by Card. Even if I couldn't discern his politics in his fiction, I still found it difficult to set aside his own (and loudly proclaimed) homophobia, xenophobia, and fascistic political beliefs.

When Marvel started publishing Ender's Game comics, I had to write an article about them for work. I genuinely didn't know that I could. I wrestled with it, I didn't know how to approach it. I went through a lot of drafts on this dinky 400-word sales article, because I knew that my distaste for Card could seep through. When all was said and done, I mentioned Card once.

I broke my vow to never buy Card's work, as I'm buying the Ender's Game comics. They're okay.

I don't own anything by Orson Scott Card, but the combination of his political opinions with his passionate advocacy for Firefly have occasionally made me troubled to be a Browncoat.

I discovered early last week that Stephenie Meyer loves Elbow. I'm not sure how I feel about this, knowing that the writer of Twilight loves a band that I love. I am... troubled...

The plan to publish original Serenity tie-in novels fell through, of course, but if one of them had ultimately been by Card, I would've debated whether to buy it or not because of this--even though an actor like Adam Baldwin can also be a staunch conservative without turning me off enough to avoid his work. I suppose it's a matter of degree.

Kelsey Grammer is probably one of the hardest of hard-core Republicans in Hollywood, yet that doesn't bother me one bit. Of course, the difference may be that Card is very public about his bigotry and sounds genuinely hateful, while Grammer's politics are something he keeps off to the side.
 
I think you have to separate the person from the work, unless the person's odious qualities start spilling into the work. I mean, Errol Flynn was allegedly a Nazi sympathizer and a statutory rapist, but that doesn't mean that THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD isn't a great movie. And Hitchcock was not exactly a "nice" person either, but that's not going to stop me from watching REAR WINDOW or NORTH BY NORTHWEST.

Unfortunately, there is no correlation between talent and being a good person. Obnoxious people can write great books and there are many wonderful people out there who can't write worth beans. Ultimately, I would rather read a good book by a rude person than a bad book by a friendly person.

Unless, as I said, their noxious political views start contaminating their work . . .
 
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Haha, I wondered how long it would take before Christopher came up in this thread when I saw the title. I can't believe anyone would really be so upset by the rather harmless things he posts here that he would boycott his books. I think he's just a sort of super-nerd and that's why his posts sometimes sound condescending. I know some (very nice) people like that in real life, so I'd never be offended by that. And yes, I've been in lengthy discussions with him about rather pointless minutiae. It's just a message board. You should enjoy yourself.
Also, his books are really good, the closest Trek comes to hard sci-fi. So all of you boycotters are missing out on something, I think. :)


I mean, my favorite author, Michel Houellebecq, is almost universally considered to be a drunken abomination. But Goddamn can the man write.

I once saw him at a reading and I really expected someone like what you describe but he turned out to be quite a shy, polite, humble man (who even respected the ban on smoking in the room).


So at some point, barring a punch to my face, I'll definitely pick up Ex Machina or maybe Over a Torrent Sea or whatever someone recommends.

I'd recommend 'Ex Machina'. It deals with the aftermath of the first movie and judging from your avatar, this might be a period you're interested in. It's also a stand-alone book.
I personally love the Titan series (for whom Christopher has penned two books), but you should really start at the beginning of the series.
Another stand-alone book I'd recommend is 'The Buried Age', an epic tale of what Picard did between the destruction of the Stargazer and 'Mission To Farpoint'.

I think Christopher's the only "regular" here whose(Star Trek) work I've read. (Nothing intentional, just haven't gotten around to reading anybody else's stuff.) I initially picked up Ex Machina years ago after I saw him plugging it on here. Good stuff. He's got a good grasp on what Star Trek's all about. Plus I share his love of TMP, which a lot of people seem to strongly dislike.
 
I went out for dinner with a relatively famous British horror writer - he proceeded to drink five bottles of wine in 90 minutes and then pissed himself - I had to pick up the tab for dinner. It wasn't the greatest dinner ever... :(
 
I went out for dinner with a relatively famous British horror writer - he proceeded to drink five bottles of wine in 90 minutes and then pissed himself - I had to pick up the tab for dinner. It wasn't the greatest dinner ever... :(


"In the tradition of Edgar Alan Poe . . . ."
 
I went out for dinner with a relatively famous British horror writer - he proceeded to drink five bottles of wine in 90 minutes and then pissed himself - I had to pick up the tab for dinner. It wasn't the greatest dinner ever... :(

He was doing research.
 
There are people- not just authors but actors and artists etc. too, who I find at best totally obnoxious and will only buy their work if it looks really really good, or is part of a series I'm enjoying and I need that part. Usually if that's the case I'll try to find the work used. I'm mean that way...
 
I no longer read anything by Peter David, as a matter of course. I really enjoyed some of his work a few years ago, before I came to know more about him as a person.

I also avoid Joss Whedon's work, as much as I enjoyed Angel, and don't read Christopher's books, which I only mildly disliked before coming to this forum (I don't mean to place Christopher in the same category as David and Whedon).
 
^Personally, I would think being mentioned in the same category as PAD and Joss Whedon would be a compliment. What was it about Whedon that turned you off?
 
I also no longer read Christopher's books or post in Treklit (except to weigh in on this topic) due to the way he has acted here.

I like his writing for the most part and I do try and keep people's art/attitudes seperate most of the time. I wasn't able to do that in this case though. There are other Trek books and sci-fi books in general to read.
 
I no longer read anything by Peter David, as a matter of course. I really enjoyed some of his work a few years ago, before I came to know more about him as a person.

I always keep artist and art separate. Plenty of artists/writers whose works I love, but who I don't like or agree with personally.

Besides, there are so many other reasons not to read his books that have nothing to do with him as a person...
 
Getting back to the original theme, it's worth remembering that just because someone is a good writer doesn't mean that they're good at schmoozing with strangers at a con. I can think of at least a couple of people I know, who are good writers and great people, who are just uncomfortable and awkward doing the self-promotion thing, with the result that they can come off as aloof or standoffish when they're actually nothing like that in real life. They're simply happier sitting behind their keyboards in the privacy of their office, not pressing the flesh at Shore Leave or whatever. It's nothing personal.

I, on other hand, have been working the con circuit for over twenty years now and will always try to be friendly and amusing--even when I'm secretly suffering from a migraine!
 
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How many writers, I wonder, have been turned off writing because their fans are a bunch of dicks? I'd be surprised if it hasn't happened.
 
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