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Have the new Star Treks lost the progressive edge?

Jones was selling tribbles
But Uhura wasn't (apparently) carrying currency, or anything like a future debit card, but she did intend to purchase a tribble.

When Scotty and the boys ordered their drinks, the verbal ordering and the delivery of the drinks was all that was require to make a financial transaction, the person/persons then had the cost of the drinks deducted from their financial account.

Voice print, facial recognition, DNA scan, some-such.

Your replicator just made you that nice juicy steak. But it isn't worth anything and you can make as many as you want. So I'm taking it. Go make another.
I do assume that producing a item by way of a replicator does come with some cost, if only your power bill. So I'll be keeping my steak, you go get one of your own.


I think by the 24th century basic needs are provided for everyone. You can get a basic apartment ...
Maybe less than that, there would be social services for those who fall on hard times, but more of a shelter arrangement. For a apartment you would need credits and a job to obtain them.

:)
 
I definitley have the impression that a 24th century person could do nothing and still live in a lower middle class lifestyle. I got that impression from TNG epsiode where the people from the 20th century were found in cyrogenic freeze. I'm pretty sure it's said that people no longer had to work for a living.
 
I definitley have the impression that a 24th century person could do nothing and still live in a lower middle class lifestyle. I got that impression from TNG epsiode where the people from the 20th century were found in cyrogenic freeze. I'm pretty sure it's said that people no longer had to work for a living.

How boring.
 
Yeah but for all we know if you don't work in Trek's world you might have eat TV dinners. We know they eliminated starvation and I guess most diseases, but for all we know you have to work for the good living spaces & food.
 
I definitley have the impression that a 24th century person could do nothing and still live in a lower middle class lifestyle. I got that impression from TNG epsiode where the people from the 20th century were found in cyrogenic freeze. I'm pretty sure it's said that people no longer had to work for a living.

How boring.

Most wealthy people, contrary to popular media depictions playing on audience envy, don't lead remarkably boring lives.
 
I definitley have the impression that a 24th century person could do nothing and still live in a lower middle class lifestyle. I got that impression from TNG epsiode where the people from the 20th century were found in cyrogenic freeze. I'm pretty sure it's said that people no longer had to work for a living.

How boring.

Seriously?! One of the biggest dream of mankind come true for every person on earth, and it's boring? There are people who don't live for their work, you know.

And before you say it, yes, there are those passionate ones who do live for their work. Well, they can still work. And the Trek shows and movies mostly show us those people who do still work. They just don't depend on it.
 
IIRC, only one person was directly referred to as being unemployed, and that was the young man Picard mistakenly thought to be his son. When he told Picard he was unemployed, Picard seemed somewhat shocked.

Otherwise they were employed in some way, or the spouse of a employed person, or a child, or old enough to be retired.

Employment status didn't alway come up, but how many people weren't?

Most wealthy people, contrary to popular media depictions playing on audience envy, don't lead remarkably boring lives.
Plus a lot of wealthy people do work, in many cases that is how they got that way.

:)
 
Irrespective of how they became wealthy, the working rich do so as a matter of choice. They don't have to work, any more than the denizens of Trek's "24th century Earth" supposedly do.
 
But again, who do we see who isn't working? Where are these vast crowds of freeloaders?

We don't seem to hear anything about such, the people of the future work (imho) because there's a need to support themselves. Lodging, clothing, recreation, food, body and soul.

:)
 
Seriously?! One of the biggest dream of mankind come true for every person on earth, and it's boring?

Yes. Not having to work makes me lazy. That's a bad thing.

I disagree. Not having to work does not necessarily make one lazy. Imagine what people could do if their minds were freed up from the worries of scrounging about to meet basic needs?
 
Having to work boring jobs to survive is boring.
Being freed up from having to endure drudgery to survive allows people in Trek to explore their interests and passions, and as their society seems to work well, they're doing something right. I don't get the impression that there's a problem with freeloaders in Trek.
 
There's probably social pressure to work in the Trek world. Maybe there's a group tasked with getting others working by leaving annoying flyers everywhere if you slack off. Then if they determine you're not improving yourself boom a dozen social workers descend on you.
 
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