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Has blu-ray failed?

Something I was wondering about - USB drives are constantly failing in price - I was listen to the radio yesterday and they were talking about a 16gb drive being $20.

In a couple of years, a 50gb is going to be pretty cheap - is there a technical limitation in using USB instead? Transfer speed?
 
^An actual Blu-Ray disc itself costs pennies. USB storage is not even close at the moment. Transfer speed is not a problem, however.
 
Something I was wondering about - USB drives are constantly failing in price - I was listen to the radio yesterday and they were talking about a 16gb drive being $20.

In a couple of years, a 50gb is going to be pretty cheap - is there a technical limitation in using USB instead? Transfer speed?

The integrity of the data which is more susceptible to corruption I believe.
 
IMHO blu-ray is another spectacular failure from Sony. Even with their destroying the superior format by buying off (in the hundred of millions of dollars) studio support, it still can't do better than what - five percent market share?

This is with hi-def tv's selling like crazy. No, it will never be anything but a niche product. It will never have more than 25% market share.

The damn discs are too expensive and always will be. It costs a fortune to make a blu-ray disk, as opposed to hd-dvd which could be made in dvd plants with minor upgrades. Blu-ray is a Japanese professional disc format that Sony bought and modified for home use. It was never intended to be a home format. It's a mess.

How better is HD-DVD than Blu-Ray? I'd like to know.
 
Such players do exist, they're just not what you'd call cheap.

For a fully modded machine which will play both SD DVD and blu-ray discs from any region, that's not a too terrible price. If you think what a region locked blu-ray player cost in the UK 18 months ago, the prices are about the same.
 
How better is HD-DVD than Blu-Ray? I'd like to know.

Aside from the small advantage that it was easier for DVD reproduction plants to upgrade their equipment to manufacture the discs and, from a consumer point of view the lack of region protection was good, it had no advantage over Blu-Ray.
 
Why the hell is everyone still talking about "replacing all of their dvds?!?!?" Your dvds still work. You can buy NEW releases on BD and upgrade the ones you feel are worth upgrading. My season 1 of Malcolm in the Middle... guess what? Not being upgraded. Band of Brothers on the other hand, probably will. Trading places: great movie... won't get it in HD... Transformers... I bought it in HD right away :p
 
Why the hell is everyone still talking about "replacing all of their dvds?!?!?" Your dvds still work. You can buy NEW releases on BD and upgrade the ones you feel are worth upgrading. My season 1 of Malcolm in the Middle... guess what? Not being upgraded. Band of Brothers on the other hand, probably will. Trading places: great movie... won't get it in HD... Transformers... I bought it in HD right away :p

That's what I've been trying to say a couple pages ago.
That's exactly what I am doing.
My DVD collections dwarfes my BD collection (if you can even call it that at this point) and it will for a long time to come. But cherry-picking the movies I'd like to have in HD is certainly the way to go.
 
I never thought blu-ray would be successful for movies.

The reasons why people payed money to move from a vhs to dvd setup was obvious:

  • much smaller media means better storage space.
  • digital quality. Better quality recording.
  • no degradation of the recording over time or physical wear.
  • you can pause the picture solid and jump around the movie without winding tapes.
  • New TV was better quality and showed the imperfections of vhs more strongly.
  • easier ability to edit the recording on PC.

But what motives are there moving from dvd to blu ray? Higher definition... and what more does it really offer?

There's nowhere near as much incentive as there was from upgrading to dvd from vhs.
 
Why the hell is everyone still talking about "replacing all of their dvds?!?!?" Your dvds still work. You can buy NEW releases on BD and upgrade the ones you feel are worth upgrading. My season 1 of Malcolm in the Middle... guess what? Not being upgraded. Band of Brothers on the other hand, probably will. Trading places: great movie... won't get it in HD... Transformers... I bought it in HD right away :p

If I switched to Blu Ray, DVD-quality picture would very quickly seem excessively poor (though Blu Ray picture quality is itself poor), and I wouldn't want to watch my DVDs anymore. I'm waiting for a system that can display, say, Casablanca in its native resolution and clarity.
 
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How high would the resolution actually have to be? IIRC recordings on film have an incredible amount of detail and would allow for very, very high resolutions but I don't seem to remember any rough numbers.
 
I've seen a few reports which suggest that a native-resolution transfer of an average-length film runs about 300 GB, but I don't know how that number was derived.
 
It would probably be in the realm of 5,000x4,000, at a ridiculously high DPI level.
 
I think it's a wonderful 'coincidence' that they've been using this very high-quality medium for films which just lends itself perfectly to HD and beyond. Granted, the source material still has to be in good condition which sadly isn't always guaranteed.
 
The original acetate films store picture with microscopic silver crystals, and the normal density (granularity) of these particles is between 600-1200dpi depending on the quality of the film used.

But this gives an infinite range of colours, which you could emulate with 48-bit digital colour depth.

So from standard 35mm film, thats 825 pixels (minimum) upto 1650 pixels (maximum) width. So it's much the same as current HD screens give.

For perfect reproduction, you'd use uncompressed video, which is very memory hungry:

1.5MB per frame @ 30fps = 45MB per second = 160GB per hour.

For good reproduction, you might have 10:1 compression = 16GB per hour, which is like blu-ray.
 
When I first started buying Blu-Rays and HD-DVDs I said I wouldn't bother with older films because there wouldn't be much point.

Then I got 2001: A Space Odyssey on HD-DVD and realised how wrong I was.
 
We cannot really be sure if Blu-ray has failed yet.
We know that it beat our HD-DVD and has the support of almost every major studio, not to mention that it is the format which the PS3 uses.

It didn't 'beat' hd-dvd. Sony bought off studio support to kill hd-dvd.

No -= actually HD-DVD were the ones who 'bought off' the studios (Universal and Paramount) initially. What killed HD-DVD was the fact that the other Studios were more nervous that Microsoft had such a big hand in HD-DVD development; and as bas a Sony often is with licensing fees; they felt Microsoft would in the longf run, be worse then Sony ever was.

Right nos - Blu Ray is the only HD disc tecnology available to the consumer - and while HDTVs are starting to see a larger penetration; there's no doubt that (at present) the overall HD market is still only a fraction of what the 'Standard TV' market is (And I say this as someone who has 3 HDTVs and two Blu-Ray players - one for the living room, and one for the bedroom).

It's way too early to say 'BluRay has failed'; and with every major studio releasing and promoting their Blu-Ray line; it certainly hasn't been abandoned. But until HDTVs become the prevailent TV technology, HD in general will remain a niche market.

For example, viable VHS recorders were around and available to consumers from 1975 on; yet it wasn't until 1982 that studios started putting some films on tape, available to consumer purchase; and it was about 1985 before the major studios felt VHS recorders had penetrated the market enough to start releasing ALL major films on VHS.

Also, VHS tapes and even DVDs were VERY expesive when they first became availabe. I do hink that in a few years the general price poin t for Blu-Ray discs will drop in the same way DVD prices did. But, standard def DVDs will not be 'dead' anythime soon; and since every Blu-Ray player will play and upscale a standard DVD (although it stiill doesn't look as good as a native 1080P Blu-Ray disc); there's no reason to think that will change for some time. I will (and have in the case of films I really enjoy and like to re-watch) 'update' a portion of my current DVD collection to Blu-Ray; but there is stuff that I see no need to re buy in Blu-Ray format, and as people go the HD route I'm sure they'll do the same. BUT - for anything released currently, I only pick up the Blu-Ray versions.
 
When I first started buying Blu-Rays and HD-DVDs I said I wouldn't bother with older films because there wouldn't be much point.

Then I got 2001: A Space Odyssey on HD-DVD and realised how wrong I was.

The 35mm film they use today has been in use for the past 100 years. True, they don't use cellulose film now, and the emulsions are less toxic, more durable. But in terms of picture resolution, this particular technology hasn't really advanced in all that time :)
 
I will (and have in the case of films I really enjoy and like to re-watch) 'update' a portion of my current DVD collection to Blu-Ray; but there is stuff that I see no need to re buy in Blu-Ray format, and as people go the HD route I'm sure they'll do the same. BUT - for anything released currently, I only pick up the Blu-Ray versions.

I don't know if I am the typical Blu-ray owner or not, but there are very few films (out a few hundred DVDs I own) that I feel the need to re-buy and update, despite the massive improvement in audio/visual quality Blu-ray brings. With the VHS to DVD switchover, this wasn't even a question. And for new disks, I still make the decision whether a film is visually interesting enough to be "worth" getting a Blur-ray disk, or if a DVD will do. Blu-ray disks are a bit pricey, but no way near outrageously pricey (YMMV). But - for me - they are priced right on the other side of the psychological barrier of being a no brainer buy like DVDs are.

My feeling - based on nothing more than my gut - is Blu-ray will catch on. But it will be a slow process, far slower than DVD market penetration.
 
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