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Has blu-ray failed?

I've read on numerous occasions that the PS3 is considered the best BluRay player out there.

Or you could just buy a blu-ray ROM drive for your PC for about £65 (about $120) and connect your PC to your HD television. :) I've played blu-ray rips in mkv format at 720p, and while they may not be blu-ray quality, they're on another level from upscaled SD DVD, and far better than for my viewing needs.

This is why blu-ray is failing and will fail totally within a few years. It offers nothing that the average DVD watching consumer wants or needs.

On a technological note, the one thing that will kill blu-ray stone dead is if manufacturers start making standalone SD DVD players with DivX h264 codec support. Almost HD quality feature films on the size of a single layer SD DVD will wipe out blu-ray in the blink of an eye.
 
The reason why I am not investing in Blu-ray is simple. Like DVDs, Blu-ray is another temptation in getting the buyer to invest in and re-purchase films that they already owned in a previous format. It worked for CD when buyers replaced their existing vinyl records and cassette tapes. I am not too sure about Blu-ray, because it seems more like a "niche market for videophiles" like the way laserdisc was to VHS back in the 1980's.

It is not only the product, but the people's emotional compulsion in buying, collecting, pack ratting, and snorting that SONY is exploiting in the consumers, because people want newer, better, brighter, and shinier things. However, on that psychological marketing front, Sony and the movie studios failed miserably because the majority of consumers are asking back "So, what is in it for me?" and voting with their wallets firmly shut because Blu-ray looks like a coat of spiffy new paint sprayed onto a pre-existing car rather than "Whoa...let's run over there and check out that brand new model!" that you awe and drool over at auto shows.

The thing is that with Blu-ray, it is not only the player that a new adopter will be investing in but also the already built-in temptation to go back and "quadruple dip" on titles such as:

20 James Bond films on VHS ----> barebones DVD ----> special edition DVD ----> ultimate edition DVD ----> Blu-ray discs

No, I am not going to fall prey to that temptation again when studios have already made me "re-dip" on countless titles like the Star Trek feature films on DVD, True Romance, Pulp Fiction, the James Bond 007 collection, Robotech (remastered), Casablanca, the Rambo films, the Rocky films, Transformers (both the 1986 and 2007 versions), etc.

Blu-ray is another "re-dip," and I myself personally have a certain bar for quality that says it is good enough and I do not need anymore, such as upgrading Goldfinger from the standard definition to the cleaned up and remastered Ultimate Edition. Sure, Blu-ray's picture quality is even superior than that, but an initial $700 investment in purchasing a new Blu-ray player, hook ups, 4 film titles, and sales tax isn't worth "the built-in human temptation" to upgrade your Star Trek, LOTR, James Bond, Disney PIXAR, and anime in your personal collection.

I am going to skip this generation of Blu-ray which to me is no more of a cosmetic upgrade than "what DVD should be" rather than "The Next Big Thing!" (It ain't...). Well, if Blu-ray is supposed to be what DVD should be then replace all existing DVD players in the market with Blu-ray players and bring down those Blu-ray disc prices down to DVD levels without the sales promotions. But, Sony won't do that, because they want to sell Blu-ray as a higher premium product at a price point that is above that of DVDs to the average consumer, like caviar to hamburgers.

Better luck next time the movie studios and Sony. Give us something that is the equivalent to the leap from VHS to DVD in the next 5-10 years such as holographic projectors that you can watch in the middle of your living room -- literally an EMH like holographic 3-D projection in the middle of the living room rather than something that has to be projected from a screen with physical media or projected onto a wall like a film projector, then I will consider it.

They are not kidding when the industry is saying that Blu-ray will be supplanted by something else in the next 5 years. If it is that good, then I am willing to invest in the big bucks for The Next Big Thing in the coming years and sit out on Blu-ray. Blu-ray is to DVD is what Super VHS would have been to VHS, which isn't much when all is said and done.

I want to see a multimedia product that will displace DVD in the coming future like the way 1999's The Matrix displaced 1998's Star Trek: Insurrection. VHS to DVD was like viewing and comparing the special effects of The Terminator (1984) with that of the special effects of Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991); DVD to Blu-ray, on the otherhand, is like viewing and comparing the special effects of Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) with that of the special effects of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003); to go from DVD/Blu-ray (Relatively speaking, not much of a visual difference.) to The Next Big Thing, it really needs to go from Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) to Avatar (2009).

No way I am going to fall into the temptation of upgrading my Star Treks, James Bonds, PIXAR films, etc. for thousands of dollars more on Blu-ray when pundits will be laughing about it in the years to come like the way people discuss 8-track over that of cassette tape.

Movie studios, LG, Samsung, Sony, Microsoft, etc. give us the next best thing that will literally knock our socks off, rather than peddling this Blu-ray marketing gimmick as "What DVD could do better (not by much...) and should be (Says who? Sony? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :guffaw: )" to retail consumers who never asked for this product in the consumer marketplace in the first place.
 
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Nevertheless Blu-Ray is the superior medium for next-gen gaming as it has 50 gb storage (dual layer) and superior loading speeds than compared to DVD or HD-DVD.
 
Im not buying Blu-Ray as for one I do not yet have a player nor do I have a high enough resolution TV to warrant it...untill then I will just buy standard DVDs, and even after then I will probably buy most at the cheaper DVD format and only buy new ones or upgrade parts my older collection if I really see a point in doing so.

I agree on the PS3, for alot of people it is the ideal investment, a cheap* Blu-Ray player which also plays games ...depends if your into playing games though, if not you might as well buy a stand alone player.

* I say cheap as there are more and more deals coming with up multiple games and or Blu-Ray discs for around the £300 mark...then its another £600 or more for one of the really big 1080p TVs my friend was looking at the other day.
 
Nevertheless Blu-Ray is the superior medium for next-gen gaming as it has 50 gb storage (dual layer) and superior loading speeds than compared to DVD or HD-DVD.

Huh?

Isn't the data on some Blu Ray game discs for PS3 actually repeated on the disc in order to compensate for the slow loading speed of the drive??? Doesn't sound very fast to me if that's the case.

Same thing applies for HD-DVD, which is why Microsoft would never had included a HD-DVD drive in the 360, not for games anyway.
 
Isn't the data on some Blu Ray game discs for PS3 actually repeated on the disc in order to compensate for the slow loading speed of the drive??? Doesn't sound very fast to me if that's the case.

This is also done on console DVD games.
 
This no-double-posting rule kills me every time when I'm replying bit-by-bit to a long thread. Especially since I don't have this rule on my own forum. Ugh. Anyway, please delete.
 
The only Blu-Ray player worth having is the PS3. I'm not even a gamer and I realize that.


Totally disagree. I bought a stand-alone player, and it does exactly what I want it to do. The only thing I'm missing out on is this new "BD-Live" thing which frankly just doesn't interest me. If it does, then God bless and enjoy the PS3, but if not, I would contest the notion that it's Playstation or bust.

I bought the Panasonic DMP-BD30K back in the summer time for about $290 and have been quite happy with it. I bought that on Amazon, and now they sell it for $237.xx as of this writing.

On a technological note, the one thing that will kill blu-ray stone dead is if manufacturers start making standalone SD DVD players with DivX h264 codec support. Almost HD quality feature films on the size of a single layer SD DVD will wipe out blu-ray in the blink of an eye.

Good luck marketing that to the masses.

"Wait, it's another DVD?"

"No, it's DVD, but with the *technobabble that you and I understand but many won't*"

"Huh?" *sticks to what they know or later converts to Blu-Ray if so inclined*
 
The reason why I am not investing in Blu-ray

Really? Then why are you babbling about Blu-ray here? Or here?
I knew you would chime in, because you are on my "List of 10."

I am trying to test the waters on Blu-ray.

If I am going to be spending roughly $25 per pop for titles like Star Trek XI, Watchmen, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, and Terminator Salvation for my personal collection whether it is on standard DVD or on Blu-ray when they are newly released...

I am still on the fence on whether or not I want to buy it.

Yes, there is an HDTV in the living room. But, it is not really the picture quality that bothers me so much as the fact that if I am purchasing a brand new movie on disc for $25 per pop nowadays whether it is on DVD disc or Blu-ray disc, I may or may not as well (Should I???) invest in the best possible player out there in the market today for the best possible picture quality for the price that I am paying for these discs.
 
I have only seen 2 movies in Blu-ray: Transformers and Batman Begins. I have to say with Transformers, it looked great at 1080p. But with Batman Begins, I actually did not like the clarity and crispness that Blu-ray offered it.

I know it sounds stupid, but it actually looked "too" real. I tend to like some graininess in my films.
 
No. It will just take time to be adopted.

When I buy a new player, it will be BR. Right now, Ihave a 36" sony trinitron, and a standard dvd player. It works fine. When I replace it, it will be with HD and BR, but it won't be for another two years minimum. In the meantime, I'll make do, and when I do go to upgrade, prices will have dropped quite a bit.

My plan anyway-we'll see how it works out!

:cool:
 
One thing that bothers me, the DVD playing part of Blu-Ray, is there any multi-region versions out? I've got quite a lot of R1 DVDs as well as R2, so if I get a Blu-Ray can I hack that in the same way I can most other DVD players?
Also, I know a lot of blu-ray movies don't have region coding, so you can pick them up anyway, but it would be nice to not have region coding at all.
 
I should think that Blu-ray players will be just ike the current crop of DVD players soon enough and play whatever you throw at them, divx, mkv, downloaded HD files, multi-region etc etc.

DVD players went that way because of the demand for it, people want to buy their movies while they are on holiday, and they want their hardware to be compatible with anything they can download off the internet, I should imagine that the demand is still there and somebody will step up to meet it.

Me however, I will be skipping this one.
 
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