Has Anyone Changed Their Mind About The Movie?

[Gepard]

It is the greatest movie every made.

Now Listener4 will have to be extra negative, to counter that

The characters are all douchebags*, the story sucks, the themes are underdeveloped and all over the map, the music is tepid and uninspiring and it's easily a worse film than about half the Trek movies that preceded it.

There. I'm being far too fair to really counter the above, but I don't feel like using hyperbole today.

*Except Pike. He was cool.

 

[Harvey]

Not only has Pike become his mentor, he also knew his father.

Pike says he wrote his dissertation on George Kirk and his short command of the U.S.S. Kelvin, but I don't recall him ever saying he knew the man personally.

Speaking of the film, I still think it's a terrific piece of entertainment that nails Spock as a character. It's not perfect, but it has discipline in editing that provides the film with a more even pace than any other film in the series (except, perhaps Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan).

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

nails Spock as a character.

NuSpock is like the Original Spock with super extra msg tasty sauce. It's awesome.

 

[6079SmithW]

I know, I'm a "hater".

How can you be a hater when you started the legendary Robau thread?

Its been about a year since I last saw the movie but I still love it! All the characters were great due in no small part to the efforts of the fine actors. I loved how Urban got McCoy dead on, Spock's struggle with his self identity (Quinto does a great job in this movie), and Pine's Kirk was energetic, fun, at very much a hero, even if he did need a kick in the butt to get going.

Pike was so awesome! I really love Greenwood's Pike as he provided the more mature, always calm under pressure leader that balanced Kirk's leap before you look style.

Also, I now love the prologue even more due to the glories of the Robau thread.

There was never a dull moment with all the action and I liked the energy imparted with all the crazy camera angles and shaky cam. I love that kind of stuff.

"Lens flare was annoying."
-It really didn't bother me.

"The engineering is a brewery."
-I don't care.

"It had plot holes and nonsensical BS."
-Every trek movie and episode has plot holes and BS. Again, I don't care.

"The ship's scales were all wrong! They were way too big!"
-Don't care.

"Its an alternate universe and negates all other Trek!"
-Yes, its an alternate universe, but this in no way affects the prime time line. Its still there. It is also a prequel and a reboot, one which was sorely needed for the ailing franchise.

I also loved the looks of the ships in this film, especially the Kelvin and its cohorts at the space dock. The uniforms, as well, manage to keep the TOS look with just slight upgrades that make them even better. And the Kelvin uniforms really looked like a throwback to ENT and The Cage/WNMHGB. I also love how ENt is mentioned in this; It is cannon in two universes!

All in all, this was a great film with minor flaws that can be easily overlooked or explained away and it has made star trek fun and exciting again and accessible to all, including the non-fan.

I look forward to the next installment with this cast and crew.
Can't wait!

 

[Gepard]

I know, I'm a "hater".

How can you be a hater when you started the legendary Robau thread?

Yeah, I know you're being silly, but I feel compelled to point out that pre-release anticipation does not mean one can't dislike the film once it's released. I was one of the 5 or 6 people who joined forces to create the Sombreroprise and spread sombrero avatars across the board for cripes' sake, and I thought the film sucked.

 

[6079SmithW]

I know, I'm a "hater".

How can you be a hater when you started the legendary Robau thread?

Yeah, I know you're being silly, but I feel compelled to point out that pre-release anticipation does not mean one can't dislike the film once it's released.

Oh, I know, I was just teasing. I agree that one doesn't have to like the film, or a particular series, in order to get on board with some of the memes that pop up now and then.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I changed my mind when I saw it, as it were.

Before I saw it, I did not believe that it would respect TOS to the degree that it did. Even though I knew that JJ et al were new blood, I kept thinking, it's going to be just as freaking unfaithful to TOS as ENT. By which I mean, in the first five minutes of Broken Bow, I knew there was no way that ENT could be regarded as leading into TOS; rather ENT was just a continuation of TNG/DS9/VOY but by the way just happening to take place in the past.

Thankfully, I was wrong about STXI, and within the first 5 minutes of it, I was impressed by how the new blood solved a major production design issue, namely how to design TOS itself "as if it were designed today", irrespective of how designs for TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT had been approached.

Furthermore, to be fair, STXI must be ranked in relation to the other ten films. I saw TMP on its opening day, and without reservation I rank STXI in the top 3 of all 11 Trek films, with TMP and TWOK. That is to say, IMO, every Trek film has major problems. The issue is therefore, how does it all balance out. IMO, the minuses in STXI aren't as big as the minuses in any of STIII through STX, and its pluses are at least as big as those.

For me, STXI is way, way, way better than I was afraid it was going to be.

 

[RAMA]

I think its really easy to get caught up in the excitement of any new ST movie, but even in retrospect, STXI is light years better than the 2nd best ST film. I only think that moreso now than when I saw it.

RAMA

 

[PikeFan]

You should have been there in the theater with my Trekkie buddy and I, we kept making references to the Original series, not fully realizing the reboot. We were like, "Oh Amanda doesn't die, she's in the 3rd movie" and then WTF she died... I hated it at first, but then I began to love it. The AU was an awesome idea. PLUS More Pike!!!

 

[el Chalupacabra]

I've come full circle.

When rumors first appeared that Abrams was working on Trek 11, I hated the idea of recasting the TOS crew. It sickened me.

When it first came out in theaters, I vowed I wouldn't see it.

A month after it appeared in theaters, curiosity got the best of me, and I saw it. I was mildly pleased with it: It had awesome FX. Quinto was good as Spock. Emo-kirk annoyed me. Rest of the characters, I could take or leave. Overall opinion: good popcorn flick, nothing more.

For months after its release, generally speaking, seemed to me that non-trek fans who like 'slosions and thin plots loved it. Long time Trek fans like me, were anywhere between "meh" and "hated it."

When it came out on DVD I saw it again. Without the big screen, the FX were far less impressive or bedazzling. The film became a lot more annoying to me. I just pretended like it didn't happen, and went about my business re watching my trek DVD library.

Now, nearly 2 years later, I am sickened by the idea of Trek 11 once again.

 

[Amaris]

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For months after its release, generally speaking, seemed to me that non-trek fans who like 'slosions and thin plots loved it. Long time Trek fans like me, were anywhere between "meh" and "hated it."

...

Fortunately, that ended up being incorrect.

 

[Deckerd]

I agree, J. Every poll done on this shows that the fans loved it. The 'hated it' numbers are very few. They just talk about it more than anyone else.

 

[Amaris]

I agree, J. Every poll done on this shows that the fans loved it. The 'hated it' numbers are very few. They just talk about it more than anyone else.

Yep. I've been a devoted fan since the age of 4 and I watched TOS for the first time. There is something about Star Trek that has always drawn my interest and engaged my imagination. I loved watching TNG, DS9 and liked TAS, VOY and ENT well enough, the TOS movies were fun to watch, I liked a few TNG movies, but ST09 brought back that same feeling I had when I was 4 years old, that feeling of adventure, and yes, the uniforms, the sets, the places they traveled, all kept my attention each week.

I also find it interesting that people talk about fans of the new movie liking it because of the action and "splosions". First Contact and The Wrath of Khan are two of the most popular Trek movies in fandom, and what are they filled with? Action and "splosions", as if liking swift and cutting action automatically makes one a troglodyte.

I love classic Trek, I grew up with it, but that doesn't mean I can't love this new door to adventure and exploration.

 

[heavylids]

I wasn't excited when I first heard about Star Trek XI. I had this gut feeling that it would be a complete piece of shit like ENT and didn't want anything to further taint my opinion of Trek. A few months after it was released on dvd I finally rented it. Much to my surprise I thoroughly enjoyed it. I have complaints, but the cinematography was amazing. The film just looked fucking beautiful.

I watched it for only the second time a few days ago and it's still a great film in my opinion. It stands apart from the rest of the Trek franchise, but not because of it's quality. XI is a reboot, and therefore a reinterpretation. I could never compare XI and the Trek movies that are yet to come out to I-X.

 

[el Chalupacabra]

I never said you or anyone couldn't like it, and I never said I was in the majority. I was just giving my honest opinion of NuTrek. I happen to think it is horrid. It's not a slap at you or anything.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I never said you or anyone couldn't like it...

Did someone ask you for permission?

 

[Amaris]

I never said you or anyone couldn't like it, and I never said I was in the majority. I was just giving my honest opinion of NuTrek. I happen to think it is horrid. It's not a slap at you or anything.

I wasn't targeting you specifically. Believe me, you're not the first one to compare fans of Trek XI to drooling masses who like action and explosions.

 

[el Chalupacabra]

I never said you or anyone couldn't like it...

Did someone ask you for permission?

Don't be an ass. I was responding to someone else.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I agree, J. Every poll done on this shows that the fans loved it. The 'hated it' numbers are very few. They just talk about it more than anyone else.

Yep. I've been a devoted fan since the age of 4 and I watched TOS for the first time. There is something about Star Trek that has always drawn my interest and engaged my imagination. I loved watching TNG, DS9 and liked TAS, VOY and ENT well enough, the TOS movies were fun to watch, I liked a few TNG movies, but ST09 brought back that same feeling I had when I was 4 years old, that feeling of adventure, and yes, the uniforms, the sets, the places they traveled, all kept my attention each week.

I also find it interesting that people talk about fans of the new movie liking it because of the action and "splosions". First Contact and The Wrath of Khan are two of the most popular Trek movies in fandom, and what are they filled with? Action and "splosions", as if liking swift and cutting action automatically makes one a troglodyte.

Excellent point J.

I'd like to see a comparison of action scenes (would have to delineate whether they are chase or fight) and splosions between ST:XI and TWOK.

 

[M'Sharak]

I never said you or anyone couldn't like it, and I never said I was in the majority. I was just giving my honest opinion of NuTrek. I happen to think it is horrid. It's not a slap at you or anything.

I wasn't targeting you specifically. Believe me, you're not the first one to compare fans of Trek XI to drooling masses who like action and explosions.

Oh, the fond memories that catchy phrase brings back.