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harsh realities of rewatching original Star Trek show

I would have to write an article to explain my issues with "The Original Series".
Interesting.

Not surprisingly I have zero issues with TOS as is. I am not embarrassed by anything in the series. It is what it is despite its missteps. It remains one of the most creative and enduring productions ever created for television or film.

There are some things which I wish they could have managed to do, but nothing whole cloth differently

It got far more right than wrong. And I’m pretty damn sure that in another fifty years, besides maybe TNG, TOS will still resonate and endure while all the other stuff done in Trek’s name will be a footnote.
 
I don't find McGivers and her infatuation and relationship with Khan (especially as she eventually does regret, reform, save the day and still wants to be with and is admired by Khan) to be outright sexist let alone misogynist.
Let's see... she takes one look at him and is instantly infatuated. On the ship he tells her how to wear her hair, and she goes along with it. She tries to be professional, and he kicks her out until she begs to be allowed to stay. Then she's literally crawling on the floor, telling him she'll do anything he says when he informs her that he wants her to help him take over the ship.

That was a bit disturbing to me when I saw this at the age of 12-13. As an adult who's been struggling for many years to deprogram from the patriarchal BS my grandfather inflicted ("you're not allowed an opinion of your own until you're 18"... then it was "not until you're married, and then your opinion will be whatever your husband's opinion is...") I decided right then and there that I was never going to give any man the chance to dictate my opinions.

And so now I look at how Marla behaved and am appalled.
 
Many of those who complain about Shatner's acting illustrate their complaints with clips of Kirk when he's not in his right mind. He is inhabited by Dr. Lester, or Sargon, or split by the transporter into "good" and "evil" halves, or is Mirror Kirk, or is obsessed, etc. Shatner isn't supposed to be playing unflappable competent Kirk then!
 
Yes "Spock's Brain" was terrible, so was "And the Children Shall Lead", don't see what was embarrassing about "Plato's Stepchildren" (there was some weird, kind of out of place, kind of not out of place humor zOMG) or "The Way to Eden" or that the portrayals in "The Paradise Syndrome" were racist.

WRT to ‘The Paradise Syndrome’, it plays into every ‘noble savage’ stereotype in the book. If you’re not familiar with the term, I recommend a quick google, but the gist of it is that it portrays Native Americans as inherently innocent, naive and happy due to their ~connection to nature~ and lack of industrialisation. We can see this in the Paradise Syndrome when Kirk says ‘It's just so peaceful, uncomplicated. No problems, no command decisions. Just living.’

Like… that’s a hell of an assumption to make! How does he know that? The problem is that these kind of stereotypes flatten complex, disparate cultures and individuals into a monolith. Miramanee and co are presented as nice and well-intentioned, but none too bright. It’s a patronising view, and though its more well-intentioned than many other racial stereotypes, it’s still harmful.
 
Anyway WRT the article as a whole, I’m not really a fan of this kind of shallow listicle content. Don’t feel like going thru each point individually, and many of them aren’t wrong per se, but for a lot of people the fact that TOS is 60+ years old is enough to put them off.

If we have to have silly clickbait stuff about TOS, I’d rather have ‘Reasons Why TOS Holds Up Surprisingly Well (And You Should Give It A Chance)
 
Many of those who complain about Shatner's acting illustrate their complaints with clips of Kirk when he's not in his right mind. He is inhabited by Dr. Lester, or Sargon, or split by the transporter into "good" and "evil" halves, or is Mirror Kirk, or is obsessed, etc. Shatner isn't supposed to be playing unflappable competent Kirk then!

I had no idea Shatner was supposed to be a ‘bad’ actor till I saw people complain about it online. I think he’s really very good as Kirk and IMO a lot of the criticism is just people parroting what other people say :shrug:
 
Let's see... she takes one look at him and is instantly infatuated. On the ship he tells her how to wear her hair, and she goes along with it. She tries to be professional, and he kicks her out until she begs to be allowed to stay. Then she's literally crawling on the floor, telling him she'll do anything he says when he informs her that he wants her to help him take over the ship.

That was a bit disturbing to me when I saw this at the age of 12-13. As an adult who's been struggling for many years to deprogram from the patriarchal BS my grandfather inflicted ("you're not allowed an opinion of your own until you're 18"... then it was "not until you're married, and then your opinion will be whatever your husband's opinion is...") I decided right then and there that I was never going to give any man the chance to dictate my opinions.

And so now I look at how Marla behaved and am appalled.

Agreed. I've always thought of that scene as a good example to show young women how NOT to behave, and the kind of men to avoid.
BTW, that scene where he changes her hair for her? He doesn't actually change anything! He just fiddles with it, leaves it as-is, and says "that's better." Maybe he's just psyching her out.
 
Agreed. I've always thought of that scene as a good example to show young women how NOT to behave, and the kind of men to avoid.
BTW, that scene where he changes her hair for her? He doesn't actually change anything! He just fiddles with it, leaves it as-is, and says "that's better." Maybe he's just psyching her out.
Well, they were in a room where just anyone could walk in at any time. No doubt he'd have done more if they were in private quarters.

He 'fiddled' enough to give her some idea of what he wanted, and she complied by taking her hair down for the dinner Kirk hosted.


When our local Star Trek club got started, we organized ourselves as some others do - along the lines of a ship. Some of us took on additional personas (we were mostly also SCA, so personas were normal for us).

I told them that in addition to Communications Officer (I was the person who edited and published the monthly newsletter), I wanted to be the A&A officer (what Marla and Carolyn Palamas were) - but unlike them, I said I'd be the one with a brain who wouldn't run off and betray the ship for any man who told me to (I actually did major in anthropology in college and have studied several ancient/classical civilizations).

My third persona was a Horta (hey, if Diane Duane can have a Horta character in her novels, I could play one in our club, though I never had a costume or crawled around on the floor to do it). It fit in nicely with my interest in geology.
 
BTW, that scene where he changes her hair for her? He doesn't actually change anything! He just fiddles with it, leaves it as-is, and says "that's better." Maybe he's just psyching her out.
I'm sure they just wanted a simple change that would allow for multiple takes.
 
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Agreed. I've always thought of that scene as a good example to show young women how NOT to behave, and the kind of men to avoid.
BTW, that scene where he changes her hair for her? He doesn't actually change anything! He just fiddles with it, leaves it as-is, and says "that's better." Maybe he's just psyching her out.
He is. Just pushing the line for what she will let him do.
 
<——- Prefers the original Klingon look.

And I don’t have a problem with the acting. Some of the scripts were, shall we say, ‘problematic’? Even so, the actors had contracts, and couldn’t just say, “I’m not going to do that episode.”

Amen, Warped9.
 
since im the only person that actually read the whole article, i might as well type the whole list of things that was mentioned in the damn article

10 Harsh Realities of Rewatching Star Trek: The Original Series (screenrant.com) that is the link to the website.

LOL! I had to read a lot of it to get some context, but...

10. the "awful" costumes

Considering there were budget issues, right down to inexpensive placemats and shower curtains - even a cynic like me applauds how much they managed to do with so little, especially with as little reuse as they did. The stories on the ear prosthetics for Spock revealed quite a lot of difficulty as well... they went for what could be dealt with on a modest budget and with time constraints.

If nothing else, it's fiction. Let's let the story and acting draw us into their world and look beyond the placemats and shower curtain costumes. Nowdays it's almost the other way around.

9. the treatment of Spock going too far.

Their points cannot be denied. McCoy is one thing, but the whole crew - it's like Barclay, for every episode, and not necessarily showing more camaraderie to balance. But it's not like Spock never gets a chance to announce his having to constrain his displeasure over working with humans ever...

8. "Far too many" episodes having misogyny and sexism. One of the most difficult aspects of watching Star Trek: The Original Series today is the rampant and obvious sexism. This is not so much a critique of the show itself, as it tried to be progressive in its own way, but more an acknowledgment of the problematic views about women that were widespread at the time. From historian Marla McGivers' (Madelyn Rhue) instant infatuation with Khan (Ricardo Montalban) in "Space Seed" to the portrayal of Harry Mudd's (Roger C. Carmel) former wife in "I, Mudd" to pretty much everything in "Turnabout Intruder," the sexism in Star Trek crops up in all three seasons. While this clearly illustrates the show as a product of its time, it's still jarring to hear even the ever-logical Spock reduce women to inaccurate stereotypes.

In the 1960s, this show was actually seen as being very progressive.

It also had to appease the censors, since "The Cage" apparently went "too far". People still whine about "the miniskirt", forgetting that - at the time - it was deemed as EMPOWERMENT. Grace Lee Whitney advocated for their use and Nichelle Nichols even wrote about it in her autobiography. It's a bit of a good read...

But other points are valid; Kirk's treatment of McGivers is awful and a good captain knows who's on his ship and why. In the same episode, he was a bit of a a donkeyhind toward Uhura and others as well... Mudd's first episode is questionable, but a couple lines and their acting by Eve are trying to do more than what they otherwise directly could.

"Turnabout Intruder" had its writer unsure of WHAT to critique.

And, yep, Spock's quotes about women have definitely aged very poorly. Even other characters saying casual sexist lines are cringeworthy as well.

7. the "bad" Klingon makeup. what did she expect? it was the 1960s back then

Four in, and they're stretching what fits into the previous point - #10.

6. Uhura who rarely got to do anything

Ditto for Scotty, Chekov, Sulu... the show became about "the big three" and that was that. Go back and time and debate the makers. It's not like things were great and TOS was backtracking or anything...

5. the dangerous aliens looking too silly

See #10

4. the acting being over the top

I often laugh more at the "naturalistic" acting nowadays. That ties into one if not two of my previous responses above. TV was more like "televised stageplays" back then, anyhow.

3. the hand to hand combat looking ridiculous

Stuff shot on a stage looks stagey, what a shock. Nowadays it's the other way around, think of that movie from the early-2000s with a wide shot of a zillion people waving green and blue laser swords, plus one purple one, and chortle over how asinine that looks too. Or the mid-200s tv show trying to show half a million ships spinning around to "seriously" sell a threat. It's arguably more laughable, in a show with plenty of stories that prove that only one is really needed to sell a threat. It's never the quantity but the underlying reason and tension built by the script requiring it that drives the story. Even the slo-mo stagey stuff, bad as it is, isn't the worst by any stretch. We all know the captain wins in these shows, isn't that higher up on the list of whineyrants these articles tend to bypass?

2. Kirk making too many mistakes as Captain

Don't all captains do? There'd be no drama, otherwise. Even Picard got to and Gene was adamant that the Captain not do so, since this issue (among others) were brought up so many times back in the day that Gene wanted TOS decanonized, in favor of solely TNG. That's been talked about more than the bottle of glue being whipped. Assuming they still use dead horse bits as the ingredients for said glue.

1. some episodes are truly terrible

There's no tv show that doesn't have them!

Plus, "Plato's Stepchildren" - as a high concept tale of forcing mind control upon others - is arguably chilling, and the actors playing it all that seriously is worthy of a Guiness record. Going by that, any 60s show using any form of ESP as plot fodder should be just as summarily waved off. :rolleyes: Again, this is sci-fi and not a generic soap opera where all they have are people whining about their sexual relationships.
 
TOS was never intended as an ensemble show. It was always intended as a star vehicle for the main character: the Captain. During the first season Spock became a breakout character and the show morphed into revolving around the big two, Kirk and Spock. By the end of the first season McCoy was featured enough he warranted extra billing and the show revolved around the big three. And thats as far as it went.

I find most criticism of TOS comes to ignorance of context—the critic is stuck in seeing things strictly from the limits of contemporary perspective.
 
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WRT to ‘The Paradise Syndrome’, it plays into every ‘noble savage’ stereotype in the book. If you’re not familiar with the term, I recommend a quick google, but the gist of it is that it portrays Native Americans as inherently innocent, naive and happy due to their ~connection to nature~ and lack of industrialisation. We can see this in the Paradise Syndrome when Kirk says ‘It's just so peaceful, uncomplicated. No problems, no command decisions. Just living.’

Like… that’s a hell of an assumption to make! How does he know that? The problem is that these kind of stereotypes flatten complex, disparate cultures and individuals into a monolith. Miramanee and co are presented as nice and well-intentioned, but none too bright. It’s a patronising view, and though its more well-intentioned than many other racial stereotypes, it’s still harmful.

You're 100% correct in your statements, but how would a show go about intertwining all of the nuances and differences within individuals of one society - never mind multiple - within a constrained budget, over the course of a dozen or so stories and with the casual audiences and channel flippers maintaining interest?

Suspension of disbelief prevailing; for a one-off 45~50 minute episode that will never be addressed again, some assumptions will be made by the writer and script editor, solely to keep focus on the immediate story. I don't think there's a quick way out of it. But something close arguably has: For example, Doctor Who has used (around 1974) the "they're a splinter group from ____" regarding Ice Warriors and they were different... Silurians had a shiny new offshoot in the early-2000s except they otherwise weren't any difference apart from the appearance, but the main idea - within time constraints - has been utilized... "The Deadly Assassin" from 1976(?) showed different factions of Time Lords and "The Invasion of Time" (1978) showed even more complexity, but it took more than one story and to make any of it interesting they still needed to spruce up the writing for all these differences. But it's been done before, albeit loosely and likely not intentionally - other than getting the story length stretched from four parts to six. Then there's "The Keys of Marinus" from 1964, almost unique in sci-fi and showing multiple societies. But still constrained due to episode length constraints...
 
Star Trek was one of the best television shows ever produced. Like “top 5” in terms of impact, longevity, pop culture recognition, quality, etc.

People can dislike it. People can quibble and get uncomfortable about less-than-stellar elements of it that were clearly products of another time period. People can laugh about the results of having limited resources and archaic production techniques. But, at the end of the day, Star Trek achieved a timelessness and a greatness that hardly any show in history has ever achieved, and probably ever will.

That’s all I have to say about that.
 
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