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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Pt 2: Grading and reviews

How do you rate "Deathly Hallows, Pt 2" and why?

  • A - Top shelf best yet!!!

    Votes: 43 47.8%
  • B - A great addition to the legacy!!

    Votes: 36 40.0%
  • C - Average with both charms and curses!

    Votes: 6 6.7%
  • D - They made it two movies... for this??!!

    Votes: 3 3.3%
  • F - Avada kedavra!!!

    Votes: 2 2.2%

  • Total voters
    90
Heheh.

I do admit Hermione's constant crying fits in the last book annoyed the hell out of me. It was like that girl was bipolar or something.
 
I considered purchasing the e-books, but it looks like they won't come out until October (July 31st if you have special access to the Pottermore website). It's too bad as I will have a big gap in my schedule between my classes ending in early August and my new job starting in early October.
 
Just saw the movie yesterday afternoon.

That is how an excellent movie is made! :techman:

Snape's death and The Prince's Tale actually got me teared up, something that rarely happens in a movie.

A++++
 
Going to see it a second time tonight, without the kids...more focus on the movie then:D
Cannot belive that it has ended!
 
I considered purchasing the e-books, but it looks like they won't come out until October (July 31st if you have special access to the Pottermore website). It's too bad as I will have a big gap in my schedule between my classes ending in early August and my new job starting in early October.

you should try audiobooks.... it's like watching a movie in your head.
 
My first HP night out - and it's the last! Many people I've spoken to are in the same situation. They went to see an HP at the cinema because it was the last one, which is why the predictions are that it will break records as regards takings. I really enjoyed it. Very well done.
 
I just saw this this morning and I loved it. It was amazing. I can't think of any specific comments other than that though. Definitely an A+.
 
I don't know if anyone has posted this, but I noticed a lack of a Wormtail death scene, am I wrong?

According to a Mugglenet podcast I heard some time ago, they never filmed anything in DH part 2 for Wormtail. They didn't film a death scene for him in part 1, either.

OK, good, I'm not going crazy then. I thought maybe he had died in The Deathly Hallows, Part 1 and I had just forgotten. It's very weird that we don't see him die on screen since I'd gotten the impression that he was one of Voldemort's main henchmen. Certainly, considering he was central to setting the entire franchise in motion when he told Voldemort how to find the Potters, it's a shame that he doesn't get some kind of cinematic comeuppance. They could have made him the guy that gets blown up on the bridge or something. (Or the bridge-getting-blown-up guy could have been Barty Crouch Jr. I need some more evil David Tennant, dagnabbit!)

For Deathly Hallows part 2, I really enjoyed most of it; I thought the ending of the book was unnecessarily convoluted and that Steve Kloves did the best with the material that he could. I wish Neville had just taken the snake's head off after his speech, and the Molly/Bellatrix fight worked better on-page than on-screen, but Harry snapping the elder wand didn't bother me (though I wish he'd have fixed his own wand first.)

As a movie-only fan, the Molly/Bellatrix fight seemed really random. I mean, of all the characters to take out Bellatrix, they pick Molly? I would have figured it would have been a chance for Neville to avenge his parents.

Finally, a question on something I missed in-movie: How did Snape know where the Trio was in order to plant the Sword of Gryffindor in DH part 1? No Phineas Nigellus in the movie. Or, in the movie, are we supposed to assume that the sword presented itself (at the bottom of the lake?!)

I was under the impression the the sword just magically turns up whenever a Gryffindor has great need of it.

Honestly, I think the Harry Potter series is one that could actually pull off a decent set of prequel films. There is obviously enough in the books to tell a decent story about James, Lily, and the others of their generation.

Agreed, but maybe just 1 movie. Whenever my hardcore Potter-head friends explain something about their backstory to me, I always think it's a lot more interesting than the movie I'm actually watching.

That's fine, but I still don't know if it's fair to even use the book as backup here. The movies need to stand on their own.

That's what I would have thought. Unfortunately, the last couple movies seem to be Kloves & Yates saying, "Fuck off!" to everyone who hasn't read the books. I honestly couldn't make heads of tales of this movie most of the time.

Too much of it was spent (re)introducing characters just long enough to be recognized but not long enough to actually care about them, like Bill, Fleur, Hagrid, Tonks, Lupin, Molly, Arthur, Fred & George, Slughorn, Trelawny, Dumbledore's brother, etc. Meanwhile, other characters that I'm quite fond of like Wormtail, Barty Crouch Jr., & Moaning Myrtle never show up at all. I also felt like Draco's storyline was a bit underdeveloped.

I also couldn't keep track of all of the various mystical McGuffins and the relevance they were supposed to have to the story. The invisibility cloak never seems to play into the ending at all. The convoluted ownership of the Elder Wand feels a bit anti-climactic (certainly un-cinematic), although I love the off-hand non-chalance of Daniel Radcliffe's performance when he says, "It's mine." The Resurrection Stone seems to have no importance beyond allowing even more blink-and-you-miss-'em cameos, this time from the dead people (suspiciously lacking Cedric Diggory I noticed:vulcan:). This is in addition to all of the horcruxes.

Honestly, these movies needed someone like Peter Jackson at the helm, someone with a strong affinity for the source material who also isn't afraid to change things because what works for a book won't necessarily work for a movie. While I was quite fond of the 1st 6 movies, these last 2 feel more like bloated tie-in merchandise for book fans; of no individual artistic merit whatsoever.

The only time this movie really comes into its own was during the Snape flashbacks but even that confuses me quite a bit.

One simple change I would have made to help streamline things: At the beginning, I would have had Lupin & Tonks in the safehouse with their new baby in place of Bill & Fleur. That way, Lupin's baby doesn't just suddenly get mentioned out of the blue after he's dead. It's a minor change but I think emblematic of the kinds of changes they would have needed to make to make this stand on its own as a movie.

The films simply do not explain some stuff, which can be a bit frustrating, but you can only put so much exposition in a film. The most obvious one in the whole series is in Prisoner of Azhkabhan, where the film does not bother explaining who the Marauders were!

We don't need to know the origins of the Marauders Map. However, the movie really brushes over exactly how Wormtail betrayed the Potters to Voldemort.

And considering the movie always depicts the petronus as a shield instead of an animal, it makes absolutely no sense when the stag shows up to save Harry from the Dementors and even less sense when it leads Harry to assume that his father has somehow come back from the grave to save him.:confused: (But kudos to The Order of the Phoenix for slipping in a line about the difference between the animal petronus & the shield petronus. Nice retcon.)

The second most obvious is the first film, in which Harry gets the invisibility cloak from an anonymous benefactor, but they never tell us who it was.

Oh yeah. In the books, do we ever find out who that was?
 
It was my favorite because it was the closest to the book and the book is my second favorite of the series. My first being Order of the Phoenix but I can't stand how badly they gutted it for the movie so the movie is my least favorite.

Order of the Phoenix is my favorite movie. :lol:

One thing I've noticed: people who have read the books prefer the opposite movies from the people who haven't read the books.

Yep. The Deathly Hallows, Parts 1&2 are my least favorite movies but my book friends love them because they check off all of the important book moments. Meanwhile, my favorite is The Half-Blood Prince, which they hate because it brushes past all of the vital exposition.
 
As a life long Harry Potter fan I have to say that I was very impressed with this one.

But then again, it didn't ruin or delete all of my favorite parts from the book.

I give it an A.

And I hope, even though it's highly unlikely, that Alan Rickman(or Maggie Smith) gets nominated for something big because of this movie, they stole the show especially Alan Rickman.
 
Saw it this afternoon. Certainly far better than part one (which still strikes me as a series of scenes from the book thrown together without a coherent narrative to link them), but equally certainly not without its flaws. In no particular order (and with apologies for the repetition of things already said):

  • Fred being killed offscreen. Made one of the most shocking (for me) moments in the entire series completely underwhelming - almost meaningless, in fact. (George's ear didn't look particularly damaged, either.)
  • the Harry / Voldemort battle taking place in isolation. One of the greatest aspects of that part of the book was Harry telling Voldemort - in front of a crowd, no less - what a complete and utter coward he was, how warped and pathetic and useless he was. None of that made it into the movie. What a waste.
  • the elimination of Dumbledore's back story. Something I really, really like about these books is that they're about people, not flawless superheroes. Dumbledore was flawed and did some particularly stupid things. He was a person, not some sort of saint on a pedestal. All that was gone.
  • Harry breaking the Elder Wand. :wtf: Okay, it was one way to remove the threat of the thing, but it was far too simplistic. And he ought to have repaired his own wand first.

The pluses were plentiful, though.

  • the McGonagall / Snape duel. Brief, but brilliant.
  • Snape's death scene. Different to the book, but it worked almost as well.
  • the pensieve scene. Again, different (shame the part where Snape calls Lily a mudblood was omitted) but very effective.
  • the scene in the forest with Harry, his parents, Sirius and Lupin. It was a bit weird that James had so little to say, and (given Tonks' near-total absence from the movies) the reference to Teddy was pretty pointless, but the mood of the scene was spot-on.
  • a lot of the acting was particularly good. Even Watson didn't irritate me as much as usual, and Rickman and Smith were (even by their standards) stellar. Julie Walters' delivery of that line was perfect.
  • Molly and Neville got to keep their respective Crowning Moments of (Complete and Utter) Awesome. Given Kloves' penchant for giving significant moments to other characters I'd been concerned someone else (probably Hermione :rolleyes:) would get them, but thankfully sanity prevailed.
  • the cameos were fun - it was good to see so many familiar faces returning, however briefly. (I'd rather have seen Emma Thompson hurling crystal balls into the fray than what we got, though. Oh, well, at least she was there.)
  • as usual, the movie looked brilliant (I thought the escape from Gringott's worked particularly well, although why the frell it was suddenly Hermione's idea...:rolleyes:).

There are probably others; I'll be seeing the movie again so maybe I'll mention them. Overall, though, it was a good note on which to end the movie series. The movies have long since been only vaguely based on the books so I've come to think of them as being about characters with the same names who do vaguely similar things rather than anything resembling faithful adaptations of the novels. That being said, they've been pretty enjoyable in their own right. It's weird to realise there won't be any more.
 
Reading your post makes me realise how much of an advantage people like me are at never having read any of the books. To me the film was almost without flaw because I had no baggage going in to it. I also enjoyed Part 1, which seemed much more grown-up than any of the previous films.
 
To paraphrase yourself: "You said that this tells us that multiple invisibility cloaks are out in the world, when this is simply not true."
I'm not sure you know what paraphrasing means.

All it tells us in that Ron recognized that it was a cloak that made you invisible. There's never been a single indication that another one existed in the movies. Nor was the Hallow ever given a special name, unlike say the Elder Wand or Resurrection Stone. It was simple the "Cloak of Invisibility." Which is exactly what Ron identified it as.
Ron: "I know what that is. That's an invisibility cloak! They're really rare."

The words he uses indicates to me that Harry's cloak is not the only one in existence.

Or to put it more directly: In the movies, there was only one Cloak of Invisibility ever shown to exist. It was called that by name, both by Ron and in the stories about the Deathly Hallows.
I'm not saying Harry's cloak isn't the one from the Deathly Hallows story. I'm simply debating what you said about them flat out telling us that Harry's cloak is the Hallowed Cloak of Invisibility. Again, you can imply it, but nobody in any of the movies ever comes right out and says it.

In the books, it's made pretty clear that Invisibility Cloaks are rare, and it's made pretty clear that Harry's is special amongst that rarity. So, yea, it definitely is the one from the Hallows. And...Looking back, after having seen the Deathly Hallows movies, Ron may only be familiar with Invisibility Cloak(s) via hearing the Deathly Hallows story as a child, it's possibility he ahd no knowledge of them actually existing prior to seeing Harry's
 
If you watch the animated story about how the Hallows came to be, you can see another bit that lends credence to this idea. When Death creates the cloak by slicing off a part of fabric from his own robe, the slice tends to have spangles and sparkles much like Harry's cloak. You can see it when he's wearing it and observing Snape in GoF and elsewhere
 
Reading your post makes me realise how much of an advantage people like me are at never having read any of the books. To me the film was almost without flaw because I had no baggage going in to it.
Eh, I wouldn't call it "baggage". As I indicated - and despite how some of my post comes across - I think of the movies as being in some sort of alternative universe. But I also think a lot of things that could have made these movies better were eliminated along the way. To each their own.
 
^ It all boils down to whether or not the changes improve the story. In which case, if the film works for viewers who haven't read the books, ignorance of any better alternative is, truly, bliss.

That said, I tend to give films a great deal of leeway in adapting books -- so long as the changes are consistent with the spirit of the original telling. DH2 certainly captures that spirit.
 
so, what you all are saying is that: if it wasn't in the movie then you can ignore what the written material has to say about events....

so...

the childrens novel that JKR wrote after the seventh book (specificlly - The Tales of Beedle the Bard") that explains several things about death's gifts should be totally ignored also. and you can count on only the snippets said in the movies....
 
so, what you all are saying is that: if it wasn't in the movie then you can ignore what the written material has to say about events....

so...

the childrens novel that JKR wrote after the seventh book (specificlly - The Tales of Beedle the Bard") that explains several things about death's gifts should be totally ignored also. and you can count on only the snippets said in the movies....
Isn't that the Book Albus Dumbledore left to Hermione in DH1 Film? In which case, yea, the actual one written by JKR can't be denied by folks as non-canonical to the movies, since it's specifically referenced.
 
I also think these movies were poorly named. I don't know how different the books are, but these movies had very little to do with the Deathly Hallows. They kept foreshadowing that whoever possesses all three Hallows becomes a Master of Death...and then nobody ever possesses them! The Resurrection Stone didn't even serve a purpose except to allow Harry's dead relatives to give him a pep talk.

Well, the way I interpreted this in the books (and maybe I'm wrong) is that Harry did indeed possess all of the Hallows (even though he didn't physically hold the Elder Wand until the end he was still its rightful owner), and that because he had all three of them and was Master of Death, that is why he did not die when Voldemort used the Avada Kedavra curse on him in the woods. The curse killed the Voldemort part inside of Harry but left Harry intact because he was the Master of Death. The only other explanation for him coming back to life is that because Voldemort was using the Elder Wand to cast the curse, it didn't affect Harry and instead rebounded to Voldemort, knocking him on the ground. But then why was it able to kill the bad part inside of Harry if it had rebounded? I feel like the Hallows did indeed play a large role because they brought Harry back to life.
 
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