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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Pt 2: Grading and reviews

How do you rate "Deathly Hallows, Pt 2" and why?

  • A - Top shelf best yet!!!

    Votes: 43 47.8%
  • B - A great addition to the legacy!!

    Votes: 36 40.0%
  • C - Average with both charms and curses!

    Votes: 6 6.7%
  • D - They made it two movies... for this??!!

    Votes: 3 3.3%
  • F - Avada kedavra!!!

    Votes: 2 2.2%

  • Total voters
    90
Seems like pretty loose logic to me. I think my explanation makes more sense, frankly.


Your way doesn't really make sense to me because I feel like, if the Avada Kadavra curse is used against someone, it should kill them regardless of whether they are considered a Horcrux or not. It's true that when the diary, locket, etc. were destroyed their physical forms were still there, but I see that as being the same as Harry dying and his limp body still being there. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the reason Harry didn't die is because he was Master of Death, I think that is the way that JK Rowling intended it. I mean, that's the whole point of the Hallows in the story at all, is because they bring Harry back to life. I can't remember if he was physically holding the invisibility cloak in the book - unfortunately in the movies they barely mention his cloak at all, which I think they should have done a better job at explaining. And he was actually using the ressurection stone when he died, with his dead relatives all around him, so even though he is not physically holding it in his hand he obviously possesses it. And he is true master of the Elder Wand despite not holding it as well. It makes perfect sense to me and doesn't seem flimsy at all. I don't feel like a wizard had to be physically holding all of these items at the same time to be considered the Master of Death.

But, I do agree that they could have explained all of this much better in the movies. Having read the books first, these conclusions seemed obvious to me and fit with other small details that JK Rowling had hinted at throughout the books. There was much more explanation of wand lore and how you don't have to be physically holding a wand to be its true owner, how there are other invisibility cloaks but Harry's is a very unique one, and more of the backstory of the Hallows. I understand why they left a lot out of the movies, but I think they could have made it more clear to those who haven't read the books. If I hadn't, I think I would be confused about the movie plot.
 
Yes, Harry didn't die because he owned all the Deathly Hallows. He has owned the Invisibility Cloak since the first movie, he was the current owner of the Elder Wand by disarming Draco (who was the owner for disarming Dumbledore of it) and he owned the Snitch (either because Dumbledore left it to him or because it was his 1st winning snitch) which hid the Resurrection Stone. He didn't have to physically be holding all the items to be the Master of Death, just be the owner of them.
 
^It's funny...I always figured Harry never really died in the first place, it was the piece of Voldemort that actually died and it kind of shocked his body and made him appear dead momentarily. The theory that as the master of death he couldn't die makes sense I suppose and he was given a choice about whether to die or go back, doesn't seem like that would happen for just anyone or there would be a lot more supposed dead people suddenly living again. The lore never mentioned the hallows making their holder immortal, but it was just a kids tale that told us most of what we knew so it probably was incomplete. Good thing he figured out about the stone at the last minute then, huh?
 
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And yet he used the Elder Wand to slit Severus' throat at the boat house, or at least slash him badly, setting Nagini on him to violently mall him.

Yeah I was surprised that made it in the movie, it's certainly not in the book.

I thought the book version was worse actually. When Voldemort sealed Nagini in that floating bubble to protect her it seemed harmless as a plot point, but having that bubble then envelope Snape's head, trapping him face to face in that little area with her...

He would have had his face ripped apart like a slasher movie after that. The movie version was...slighter cleaner and marginally less stomach churning.
 
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I don't understand why owning all the Deathly Hallows somehow makes you invincible. Using them, sure-- being invisible, having a badass wand, and being able to see dead people can really help you out. (Though the last one seems limited.) But the mere fact that you have an invisibility cloak somewhere else in a box, dropped a resurrection stone somewhere, and someone else made off with your wand that you own thanks to a convoluted explanation that is at odds with everything else we know about wand ownership wouldn't seem to make you invincible for any compelling reason.
 
And Harry wasn't, he touched all three but when it came down to it, Voldemort's blast did send him to the "between". Harry had an advantage though, the piece of Voldemorts soul in him was "killed" too, creating an imbalance, only one of them could go over to the other side, so Harry in choosing to live sent that Horcrux to its death destroying it and allowing him to go back.

Voldemort, once his Horcruxes were gone, was simply mortal too, the Hallows gave neither of them immortality, nor would they. Its a myth, but even so all Voldemort cared about was the Wand and its power, he already saw himself as immortal.
 
Yeah, that's more in line with how I interpreted it, not that Harry was saved by being the "Death Master."
 
Yup, besides the Cloak belonged to his distant ancestor and had served many generations of his family. The stone had been in Slytherins hands and his decendants for nearly as many, then made a Horcrux, then cracked by the Gryffindor sword, as a Hallow it had probably ceased to truely be as powerful.

The Wand had served so many masters over so many years its allegience is a history all of its own. The Hallows have been separated and served so many I doubt they would, even reunited, serve one true master at their full power anymore.
 
^It's funny...I always figured Harry never really died in the first place, it was the piece of Voldemort that actually died and it kind of shocked his body and made him appear dead momentarily. The theory that as the master of death he couldn't die makes sense I suppose and he was given a choice about whether to die or go back, doesn't seem like that would happen for just anyone or there would be a lot more supposed dead people suddenly living again. The lore never mentioned the hallows making their holder immortal, but it was just a kids tale that told us most of what we knew so it probably was incomplete. Good thing he figured out about the stone at the last minute then, huh?
It actually is probably pretty similar with all Witches and Wizards, except the choice isn't to come back fully alive or move on, the choice is to become a Ghost or move on.
 
just back from seeing it - I'll go with an A, on the proviso that the viewer has recently seen all the previous films. I think if you either went in cold, or even went in having last seen Part I in a theater and not since, you might be a bit confused. Great spectacle though, and I like the slow-mo or freeze frame lingering action shots better than the Bay-style one-frame shots that you don't even catch style of thing...
 
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Why didn't Crouch-as-Moody just turn a pencil in his office into a Portkey at the beginning of Book 4 (or anytime, really) instead of concocting a complex, tenuous and utterly unnecessary sequence of events to bring Harry to a trophy Portkey with thousands of people watching?

Because most magical forms of entry into the school are closed off. That is why wizards can't teleport into the school. Portkeys probably fall into the same category. The Cup was then a special exception created to bring the winner out of the hedge maze. Tennant Stuart's character just added the extra detour to the gravesite, which is corroborated by the fact that the Cup does in the end bring Harry out of the maze and in front of the crowd.

Personally I think it has more to do - in the movie version at least, with Barty being more than a few witches short of a coven...
 
Yes, it's one of those "riddles" that the character has no way to understand until it's too late. And doesn't affect anything one way or the other.
 
Aside from some alterations that I'm not going to get too caught up in, I thought that the movie, overall, was done well and hit all of the high points AND low points (plotwise, mood wise) of the novel upon which it was based. The only scene that I wish had been done differently was Neville's big scene standing up to Voldemort, which IMHO should've have been left intact from the book. I loved the battle scenes and seeing a lot of characters from the other books/movies (i.e. Tralawny, Slughorn). It was nice seeing the Chamber of Secrets again as well (which was referenced in the book but not really expanded on)-though, compared to what we had seen of how difficult the Horcruxes had previously been to destroy, they got rid of it rather easy IMHO but the director probably was just running short on time and didn't make it a long drawn out scene like their destruction of the locket in Pt. 1.
I really loved how Alexandre Desplat brought back/incorporated some of John William's score material from the first two films for Harry's triumphant return to Hogwarts, as well as during the Epilogue.
Frankly, for the first time in watching any of the movies, I really felt something for the characters, particularly Harry and Snape as they met their separate destinies. I was actually very nearly in tears during both of their big scenes.

Terrific movie and smashing end to the Potterverse on screen!!!:techman:
 
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