Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Pt 2: Grading and reviews

[Yminale]

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Isn't it convenient that Voldemort didn't just cut off Harry Potter's head, put it on a stick, "Lord of the Flies" style, and then parade THAT around at the school.

Much more intimidating that way. But then of course, Harry couldn't dramatically regain consciousness.

Harry Potter is for kids. Honestly we have fantasy in order to escape the depravity of the real world.

 

[Skywalker]

They weren't on his person at the time, but he was still the owner of each one. Voldemort may have been holding the Elder Wand, but he couldn't use it to its full potential because it belonged to Harry (via Draco, who won it from Dumbledore).

 

[RoJoHen]

Seems like pretty loose logic to me. I think my explanation makes more sense, frankly.

 

[Kemaiku]

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And yet he used the Elder Wand to slit Severus' throat at the boat house, or at least slash him badly, setting Nagini on him to violently mall him.

I understand he wanted the school to see Harry's lifeless broken body simply dead as a psychological blow, but to not even bind the body, or use some levitated spell to float the body where Harry could not have moved from, not trusted Hagrid to carry him, was a bad idea.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

I didn't see a Harry Potter forum or sub-forum, so hopefully this is OK to post here. I've seen all the "Harry Potter" movies but haven't read any of the books.


Spoiler alert, I guess









So there's this part near the end of "Deathly Hallows, Part II" where Voldemort thinks he's killed Harry and he brings Harry's body to the school to gloat to his opponents that Harry's dead, Voldemort's won, etc.


Isn't it convenient that Voldemort didn't just cut off Harry Potter's head, put it on a stick, "Lord of the Flies" style, and then parade THAT around at the school.

Much more intimidating that way. But then of course, Harry couldn't dramatically regain consciousness.

He never read the Evil Overlord's List? An oldie but a goodie.
http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

 

[DarthTom]

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Much more intimidating that way. But then of course, Harry couldn't dramatically regain consciousness.

Good question. But for me this is like asking why didn't the Enterprise crew use the multiple different magical engineering solutions before again?

Replicates were created using the transporter of crew members. Dr. Polasky was de-aged using the device - in one scene 'personal transporters are used' as an escape mechanism only to be forgotten about. Dilithium crystals are repaired in on episode/film and in another the procedure is impossible. Worf using a communicator creates a personal force field on the holodeck and that procedure is forgotten about.

Ad nausea.

Plot devices my friend are used all the time. Rowling IMO was better at using them consistently than the writers in Trek ever where.

 

[sonak]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

And yet he used the Elder Wand to slit Severus' throat at the boat house, or at least slash him badly, setting Nagini on him to violently mall him.

I understand he wanted the school to see Harry's lifeless broken body simply dead as a psychological blow, but to not even bind the body, or use some levitated spell to float the body where Harry could not have moved from, not trusted Hagrid to carry him, was a bad idea.

Yeah, this is what I was really getting at. Not so much literally why Voldemort didn't put Harry's head on a pike, since it is primarily a children's story.

I just meant why of all possible routes to take would he not check the body himself, then just carry him over to the enemy's stronghold? There's a bunch of stuff he could do to make sure Harry was dead without desecrating the body. I know story flaws happen for the sake of drama, but it's frustrating when characters are written as complete idiots with no common sense just to make the plot work.

 

[Silvercrest]

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The usual answer is, "Because then you wouldn't have much of a story."

To which my reply is, "If the only way for the plot to work is for the characters to act like idiots, it's ALREADY not much of a story."

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

The usual answer is, "Because then you wouldn't have much of a story."

To which my reply is, "If the only way for the plot to work is for the characters to act like idiots, it's ALREADY not much of a story."

When I saw the movie, I assumed they had checked to make sure he was dead, and confirmed that he was. Remember that Voldy had no reason to believe Harry was the "master of death" because Voldy himself held the Epic Wand (ugh, I cannot type that with a straight face.) Even if Harry had the other Deathly Hallows, without the Epic Wand he had no power over death. It didn't occur to him that his killing curse had only succeeded in destroying the part of himself that was inside Harry, thus making the Epic Wand Harry's (through inexplicable movie logic, I guess.)

Presumably, Harry really was dead, up to the point where he took the train back to the land of the living.

There was no real reason to chop up his body or otherwise desecrate it, since he was dead and Voldy obviously wanted to show off his "prize."

 

[Gov Kodos]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

The usual answer is, "Because then you wouldn't have much of a story."

To which my reply is, "If the only way for the plot to work is for the characters to act like idiots, it's ALREADY not much of a story."

When I saw the movie, I assumed they had checked to make sure he was dead, and confirmed that he was. Remember that Voldy had no reason to believe Harry was the "master of death" because Voldy himself held the Epic Wand (ugh, I cannot type that with a straight face.) Even if Harry had the other Deathly Hallows, without the Epic Wand he had no power over death. It didn't occur to him that his killing curse had only succeeded in destroying the part of himself that was inside Harry, thus making the Epic Wand Harry's (through inexplicable movie logic, I guess.)

Presumably, Harry really was dead, up to the point where he took the train back to the land of the living.

There was no real reason to chop up his body or otherwise desecrate it, since he was dead and Voldy obviously wanted to show off his "prize."

See, show off his prize, who needs to show off after you've won. A quick pic in Jersey while he's rolling into the meatgrinder- done. Any Evil Overlord who needs to gloat deserves the epic smack down.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

The usual answer is, "Because then you wouldn't have much of a story."

To which my reply is, "If the only way for the plot to work is for the characters to act like idiots, it's ALREADY not much of a story."

When I saw the movie, I assumed they had checked to make sure he was dead, and confirmed that he was. Remember that Voldy had no reason to believe Harry was the "master of death" because Voldy himself held the Epic Wand (ugh, I cannot type that with a straight face.) Even if Harry had the other Deathly Hallows, without the Epic Wand he had no power over death. It didn't occur to him that his killing curse had only succeeded in destroying the part of himself that was inside Harry, thus making the Epic Wand Harry's (through inexplicable movie logic, I guess.)

Presumably, Harry really was dead, up to the point where he took the train back to the land of the living.

There was no real reason to chop up his body or otherwise desecrate it, since he was dead and Voldy obviously wanted to show off his "prize."

See, show off his prize, who needs to show off after you've won. A quick pic in Jersey while he's rolling into the meatgrinder- done. Any Evil Overlord who needs to gloat deserves the epic smack down.

Voldemort never exactly showed a propensity toward modesty.

It wasn't enough for him to win, he wanted everyone to take in visual proof of his superiority. He killed "the boy who lived," finally. He also seemed to think showing the others Harry's corpse would bring them to his side, as they no longer had Harry to fight over. Something of a miscalculation on his part.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

When I saw the movie, I assumed they had checked to make sure he was dead, and confirmed that he was. Remember that Voldy had no reason to believe Harry was the "master of death" because Voldy himself held the Epic Wand (ugh, I cannot type that with a straight face.) Even if Harry had the other Deathly Hallows, without the Epic Wand he had no power over death. It didn't occur to him that his killing curse had only succeeded in destroying the part of himself that was inside Harry, thus making the Epic Wand Harry's (through inexplicable movie logic, I guess.)

Presumably, Harry really was dead, up to the point where he took the train back to the land of the living.

There was no real reason to chop up his body or otherwise desecrate it, since he was dead and Voldy obviously wanted to show off his "prize."

See, show off his prize, who needs to show off after you've won. A quick pic in Jersey while he's rolling into the meatgrinder- done. Any Evil Overlord who needs to gloat deserves the epic smack down.

Voldemort never exactly showed a propensity toward modesty.

It wasn't enough for him to win, he wanted everyone to take in visual proof of his superiority. He killed "the boy who lived," finally. He also seemed to think showing the others Harry's corpse would bring them to his side, as they no longer had Harry to fight over. Something of a miscalculation on his part.

I remember being about 6 or 7 and seeing an episode of Batman (Adam West) where he and Robin are unconscious and one of the villains (a western cowgirl- I think the main was Cliff Robertson of all people) wanted to just shoot the both of them right there and then. I remember thinking 'About time the villains thought of that' What that says about me...? But dammit, she was right.

 

[Dar70]

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If movies or books didnt have these types of plot holes/devices stories would be ten minutes long.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

If movies or books didnt have these types of plot holes/devices stories would be ten minutes long.

Gee, I... I hadn't... thought of that... ohhth... the eye roll smiley... what will I do?

 

[Eduardo]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

Why didn't Crouch-as-Moody just turn a pencil in his office into a Portkey at the beginning of Book 4 (or anytime, really) instead of concocting a complex, tenuous and utterly unnecessary sequence of events to bring Harry to a trophy Portkey with thousands of people watching?

This.

Well, some speculation here:

- It was because "Moody" wanted to take Potter out of Hogwarts and back as to not alert Dumbledore of Voldemort being back.

That's why he manuvered Harry into a position where he could dissapear without suspicious of something going wrong, and his death would be easily explained, as people have died in the Tournament before.

Had everything gone acording to the plan, Harry's body would have been sent back for Dumbledore and the others to find, so the Boy Who Lived would have seemed to die because of the Tournament.

That would give Voldemort the advantage of Dumbledore not knowing, as Dumbledore points himself in the end of the book.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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Voldemort should have buried Harry at sea, and then only shared the photos with those at the highest levels of the Wizarding government.

I hear that's the way these things are done.

 

[Eduardo]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

Why didn't Crouch-as-Moody just turn a pencil in his office into a Portkey at the beginning of Book 4 (or anytime, really) instead of concocting a complex, tenuous and utterly unnecessary sequence of events to bring Harry to a trophy Portkey with thousands of people watching?

This.

Well, some speculation here:

- It was because "Moody" wanted to take Potter out of Hogwarts and back as to not alert Dumbledore of Voldemort being back.

That's why he manuvered Harry into a position where he could dissapear without suspicious of something going wrong, and his death would be easily explained, as people have died in the Tournament before.

Had everything gone acording to the plan, Harry's body would have been sent back for Dumbledore and the others to find, so the Boy Who Lived would have seemed to die because of the Tournament.

That would give Voldemort the advantage of Dumbledore not knowing, as Dumbledore points himself in the end of the book.

 

[Yminale]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

And yet he used the Elder Wand to slit Severus' throat at the boat house, or at least slash him badly, setting Nagini on him to violently mall him.

Yeah I was surprised that made it in the movie, it's certainly not in the book.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

Why didn't Crouch-as-Moody just turn a pencil in his office into a Portkey at the beginning of Book 4 (or anytime, really) instead of concocting a complex, tenuous and utterly unnecessary sequence of events to bring Harry to a trophy Portkey with thousands of people watching?

Because most magical forms of entry into the school are closed off. That is why wizards can't teleport into the school. Portkeys probably fall into the same category. The Cup was then a special exception created to bring the winner out of the hedge maze. Tennant Stuart's character just added the extra detour to the gravesite, which is corroborated by the fact that the Cup does in the end bring Harry out of the maze and in front of the crowd.

 

[Dar70]

Re: Why didn't Voldemort Just Cut off Harry's head and parade THAT ins

If movies or books didnt have these types of plot holes/devices stories would be ten minutes long.

Gee, I... I hadn't... thought of that... ohhth... the eye roll smiley... what will I do?

Then why ask the question??
Oh wait you didn't. So why are you getting your panties in a knot?? The post wasn't directed at you.