What exactly does Kirk being white have to do with this? Are there not enough white people in trek for you?
The problem isn't a lack of humour, it's the simple fact that some things aren't funny.
Harry Kim's rape
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What exactly does Kirk being white have to do with this? Are there not enough white people in trek for you?
The problem isn't a lack of humour, it's the simple fact that some things aren't funny.
Have you got anything to say other than whining about other posters? Because it's all you've done for two pages. PC or not, that's boring and predictable.
The thread has its topic. People aren't going to stop responding just because you don't think it's worth the time. If it bores you so much (or you think it breaks the rules), then report it or don't read it.
The thread has its topic. People aren't going to stop responding just because you don't think it's worth the time. If it bores you so much (or you think it breaks the rules), then report it or don't read it.
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I think lisps can be kinda sexy, but that's a horse of another colour.
The point is that the authors (one of who is a board member) were disconnected from the pulse of 2017, and quite possibly maybe the pulse of 1997...
The characters where true unto themselves, and the situation, but why were they put in that situation when the authors knew that at least half their audience were women who would likely relate negatively to the subject.
"Sigh"
By the way, I'm hearing some unwanted Republican political language in my head. Harry submitting his sex-rights to a stronger superior man defines him as a cuck.
The other author of this story is a woman.
Never mind.
The point is that the authors (one of who is a board member) were disconnected from the pulse of 2017, and quite possibly maybe the pulse of 1997...
The characters where true unto themselves, and the situation, but why were they put in that situation when the authors knew that at least half their audience were women who would likely relate negatively to the subject.
"Sigh"
By the way, I'm hearing some unwanted Republican political language in my head. Harry submitting his sex-rights to a stronger superior man defines him as a cuck.
The other author of this story is a woman.
Never mind.
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Of course it is. That's the point, if you're going to put a sexual assault in trek it shouldn't be "fluff", it should be handled well, not used for sub standard Carry On type humour. Humour which was frankly done badly anyway.
As other posters have pointed out up thread, this is a topic on which we have a cultural blind spot, we rightly abhor male on female sexual assaults and rightly wouldn't dream of using them as light hearted "fluff". For some reason the fact that the victim is male changes the game and it's all perceived as just a bit of fun, a lark, light relief. The scenario may be far less common but being in a numerical minority does not reduce the seriousness of the content or how inappropriate it is as a form of comic relief.
If you disagree try mentally recasting the scenario with Troi breaking up the fight then having a male Klingon forcing himself on her. Top that with having Crusher dismiss her out of hand saying she should either kill the Klingon or give him what he wants and tell us all how humorous it is. Why not go one further and have Picard tell her it's her duty as a starfleet officer to respect his culture and submit? Just a giggle really.
I'm guessing you wouldn't do that and more to the point you'd likely call out another poster who did, precisely because it wouldn't be funny.
The issue here isn't people lacking humour, it's people lacking anything funny to laugh at.
Is there an actual pulse of 2017? That would imply actual joie de vivre. There is hope.
The other author of the story was a woman. Gosh, she must have been bad or something.
Not saying she is, but why do you say that like it's not a possibility?
I have it on good authority that we can suck eggs with the best of them.
The relevance being?
Well I must be in the half of the audience that took it at a lesser level than rape. I even thought it a bit silly and thought Harry running and hiding was also silly. I thought the Doctor teasing him as being a guy thing and felt more sorry for Tuvok's room than I did for Harry.
Guy mentioned it.
Troi's (telepathic) rape in Nemesis was pointless and disturbing.
What about that time when Icheb imagined that B'Elanna wanted him, and further that (jealous) Tom wanted to kill him on the holodeck, because of B'Lanna's infatuation.
Um...
Did I understand the episode wrong?
I thought Icheb was petrified of being drawn into some weird sex game by Torres and Paris, where he spent the rest of the episode trying to find an out, without insulting anyone who would hold a grudge.
Did I get that wrong?
What about that time when Icheb imagined that B'Elanna wanted him, and further that (jealous) Tom wanted to kill him on the holodeck, because of B'Lanna's infatuation.
Um...
Did I understand the episode wrong?
I thought Icheb was petrified of being drawn into some weird sex game by Torres and Paris, where he spent the rest of the episode trying to find an out, without insulting anyone who would hold a grudge.
Did I get that wrong?
Yet you didn't repeat his lisp fetish.
Strangely, your version is both more interesting and sensical.
Yes, that's a real word. I looked it up.
A man isn't to blame. (Maybe.)
It wasn't rape, in most current jurisdictions it couldn't legally be rape. A female forcing herself on a male is sexual assault, assault by penetration if actual intercourse occurs.
That is of course entirely beside the point that the gender of the victim should not alter the perception of the crime and the doctor's response is very much indicative of the experiences of many male victims. They are laughed at, dismissed, ridiculed, disbelieved or otherwise perceived as weak or delusional and the media is often very counter productive in that regard. Male victimisation is played out either as comedy or a justified consequence of some earlier sin (insert prison shower joke here).
If trek is to live up to it's reputation as being socially progressive it would do well to handle what is actually a very serious issue far more responsibly than this.
Ah, just back tracked up the thread, seems he edited his post.
That was a new one on me to be fair
(Sorry Guy)
I have a lot of fetishes, but it's not like I made up bingo cards.
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