Hard Star Trek

[xortex]

Re: more on Gundam

The ship can have a different name and design. perhaps a prototype, and still be called Star Trek. Where in the title does it say anything about the ship, and put Kirk and Spock and the rest of them to bed. A dose of reality is needed else it is an alternate reality which a new ship doesn't automatically make it. Make it thoughtful and different instead of clever and derivative.

 

[Autistoid]

Re: more on Gundam

The ship can have a different name and design. perhaps a prototype, and still be called Star Trek. Where in the title does it say anything about the ship, and put Kirk and Spock and the rest of them to bed. A dose of reality is needed else it is an alternate reality which a new ship doesn't automatically make it. Make it thoughtful and different instead of clever and derivative.

I think an important factor is it easy for a casual fan to tell the difference between two stories.

Watching BSG and the original I find it amazing how much of it is similiar despite what people consider drastic changes.

A good key is that when divergences arise, that the divergence doesn't occur due to a writer not knowing of previous cannon, but instead is based on variation as a form of keeping the original relevant or more on focus to the key story.


I think a big problem is that modern star trek, is getting far to associated with space opera.

Emulating firefly would be a disaster for the next series imo.

 

[xortex]

BSG is more like wagon train to the stars than Trek is. Stargate is like Farside meets Buck Rogers. Trek needs a new ongoing story. The sphere builders were one such story where it would have been interesting if they were future Romulans where future guy was a Romulan trying to stop them.

 

[fireproof78]

Re: more on Gundam

The ship can have a different name and design. perhaps a prototype, and still be called Star Trek. Where in the title does it say anything about the ship, and put Kirk and Spock and the rest of them to bed. A dose of reality is needed else it is an alternate reality which a new ship doesn't automatically make it. Make it thoughtful and different instead of clever and derivative.

I think an important factor is it easy for a casual fan to tell the difference between two stories.

Watching BSG and the original I find it amazing how much of it is similiar despite what people consider drastic changes.

A good key is that when divergences arise, that the divergence doesn't occur due to a writer not knowing of previous cannon, but instead is based on variation as a form of keeping the original relevant or more on focus to the key story.


I think a big problem is that modern star trek, is getting far to associated with space opera.

Emulating firefly would be a disaster for the next series imo.

I'm curious as to why you think that is so. Joss Whedon set up Firefly universe as a other side of the coin from Star Trek. It's the frontier, and there's an expanding space government. In Firefly, the Alliance is less benevolent and more controlling, versus the Federation which is more benevolent and exploratory. It's a matter of perspective.

Now, you take that Firefly model and invert it again, making it more optimistic rather than pessimistic and survivalist. I mean, in TOS and TNG the Enterprise was constantly visiting colony worlds and providing aid and support to the colonists.

Really, Wagon Train to the Stars was GR's direct referencing to a TV show that was popular at the time of his pitch. It simply happened that the Enterprise did have a straight line voyage, like that series.

I think a more frontier treatment of space travel, and exploring the unknown would benefit a new show. The idea of exploring unknown worlds, and perhaps being able to do planets that were not really encountered before.

 

[Autistoid]

Re: more on Gundam

The ship can have a different name and design. perhaps a prototype, and still be called Star Trek. Where in the title does it say anything about the ship, and put Kirk and Spock and the rest of them to bed. A dose of reality is needed else it is an alternate reality which a new ship doesn't automatically make it. Make it thoughtful and different instead of clever and derivative.

I think an important factor is it easy for a casual fan to tell the difference between two stories.

Watching BSG and the original I find it amazing how much of it is similiar despite what people consider drastic changes.

A good key is that when divergences arise, that the divergence doesn't occur due to a writer not knowing of previous cannon, but instead is based on variation as a form of keeping the original relevant or more on focus to the key story.


I think a big problem is that modern star trek, is getting far to associated with space opera.

Emulating firefly would be a disaster for the next series imo.

I'm curious as to why you think that is so. Joss Whedon set up Firefly universe as a other side of the coin from Star Trek. It's the frontier, and there's an expanding space government. In Firefly, the Alliance is less benevolent and more controlling, versus the Federation which is more benevolent and exploratory. It's a matter of perspective.

Now, you take that Firefly model and invert it again, making it more optimistic rather than pessimistic and survivalist. I mean, in TOS and TNG the Enterprise was constantly visiting colony worlds and providing aid and support to the colonists.

Really, Wagon Train to the Stars was GR's direct referencing to a TV show that was popular at the time of his pitch. It simply happened that the Enterprise did have a straight line voyage, like that series.

I think a more frontier treatment of space travel, and exploring the unknown would benefit a new show. The idea of exploring unknown worlds, and perhaps being able to do planets that were not really encountered before.

My point is trek's science element can't be ignore, people way to hard to downplay the science aspect of star trek.

Yet it is hands down what people think of when they think of sciency science fiction.

 

[Tim Walker]

Re: more on Gundam

The ship can have a different name and design. perhaps a prototype, and still be called Star Trek. Where in the title does it say anything about the ship, and put Kirk and Spock and the rest of them to bed. A dose of reality is needed else it is an alternate reality which a new ship doesn't automatically make it. Make it thoughtful and different instead of clever and derivative.[/QUOTE

Emulating firefly would be a disaster for the next series imo.

I'm curious as to why you think that is so. Joss Whedon set up Firefly universe as a other side of the coin from Star Trek. It's the frontier, and there's an expanding space government. In Firefly, the Alliance is less benevolent and more controlling, versus the Federation which is more benevolent and exploratory. It's a matter of perspective.

Now, you take that Firefly model and invert it again, making it more optimistic rather than pessimistic and survivalist. I mean, in TOS and TNG the Enterprise was constantly visiting colony worlds and providing aid and support to the colonists.

I think a more frontier treatment of space travel, and exploring the unknown would benefit a new show. The idea of exploring unknown worlds, and perhaps being able to do planets that were not really encountered before.

Yes, I think that Trek could borrow the frontier vibe from Firefly.

A Hero ship could spend most of its time in a frontier on the fringe of Federation space, or go out into the unknown.

 

[fireproof78]

Re: more on Gundam

I think an important factor is it easy for a casual fan to tell the difference between two stories.

Watching BSG and the original I find it amazing how much of it is similiar despite what people consider drastic changes.

A good key is that when divergences arise, that the divergence doesn't occur due to a writer not knowing of previous cannon, but instead is based on variation as a form of keeping the original relevant or more on focus to the key story.


I think a big problem is that modern star trek, is getting far to associated with space opera.

Emulating firefly would be a disaster for the next series imo.

I'm curious as to why you think that is so. Joss Whedon set up Firefly universe as a other side of the coin from Star Trek. It's the frontier, and there's an expanding space government. In Firefly, the Alliance is less benevolent and more controlling, versus the Federation which is more benevolent and exploratory. It's a matter of perspective.

Now, you take that Firefly model and invert it again, making it more optimistic rather than pessimistic and survivalist. I mean, in TOS and TNG the Enterprise was constantly visiting colony worlds and providing aid and support to the colonists.

Really, Wagon Train to the Stars was GR's direct referencing to a TV show that was popular at the time of his pitch. It simply happened that the Enterprise did have a straight line voyage, like that series.

I think a more frontier treatment of space travel, and exploring the unknown would benefit a new show. The idea of exploring unknown worlds, and perhaps being able to do planets that were not really encountered before.

My point is trek's science element can't be ignore, people way to hard to downplay the science aspect of star trek.

Yet it is hands down what people think of when they think of sciency science fiction.

Not that Star Trek can't become more scientific again, but the idea that Star Trek's later incarnations were more scientific than other programming is generous, at best. Please don't misunderstand me, Star Trek has an emphasis on exploration and scientific discovery, but the discoveries were often relegated to tech of the week rather than something truly hard science.

I don't think anyone tried to downplay the science, so much as the science was sacrificed in the name of getting the story down in time. As much as I credit GR for consulting some local science professionals in different fields to help him develop concepts for TOS,

So, to be honest, I disagree that using Firefly to aid in developing a new Trek series is a bad thing because there is a case to be made that Firefly is harder than recent Trek incarnations, including the lack of aliens, limited use of lasers and use of bullets, horses and the like, which are can be cheaper to maintain.

 

[Tim Walker]

Interesting comment, Firefly being harder than Trek. Which raises a question-what lessons can be learned from other live action/sci fi endeavors?

 

[Brainsucker]

Why don't we just create a new Star Trek that use our today science to portray our future in the space?

The audience knowledge of space today is better than in '60 era. We have already have get a lot of dose of "space opera" from every where. Many games, books, science fiction, and even space opera use "transporter", "Replicator", "warp", etc. Borrowing Star Trek idea for their own good. So there is no novelty anymore in Star Trek. At least, the Star Trek that we know today.

If we want Star Trek to be refreshed, then we have to put a new novelty in it. A new idea, that must be radically different in term of world building and technologies. Everything is okay. You want a "Tomb Rider" model of Star Trek? Indiana Jones? they are all okay.

What if we want some kind of CSI on space, ER (Emergency Room)? it's also okay. Or maybe we can take everything and mix them all.

The point is, Star Trek must be changed. We need a new novelty idea that make it refresh. Something that can please people who have watch Gravity, Interstellar, etc. So what is the thing that can be put into Star Trek? What if we add kungfu in Star Trek? Someone there has some enhancement and capable to kick the klingon around? What if we want to play "spy game" in this series? What if we change the Federation into a darker faction? Why not? Gotham change Wayne Industry into a darker entity, we can make Federation as a faction that has so many secret; maybe evil.

Everything are okay. As far as Star Trek can have their new fresh face. We need novelty! As long as the novelty not coming, we won't see any Star Trek TV in the future.

 

[Christopher Miles]

Why don't we just create a new Star Trek that use our today science to portray our future in the space? ...

... If we want Star Trek to be refreshed, then we have to put a new novelty in it. A new idea, that must be radically different in term of world building and technologies. ...

...What if we want some kind of CSI on space, ER (Emergency Room)? it's also okay. Or maybe we can take everything and mix them all ...

... What if we want to play "spy game" in this series? ... What if we change the Federation into a darker faction? Why not? Gotham change Wayne Industry into a darker entity, we can make Federation as a faction that has so many secret; maybe evil...

DS9 tried some of this. Some StarFleet conspiracy stuff, a series focused less on a ship, a series that was slightly darker, a series whose protagonists were a mix of both Standard Fleet personnel and a somewhat Alien, quite spiritual people.

Also there was a rebellious component in the form of the Maquis.

Remember how the majority of fans reacted in the 90's.
"Star Trek does not boldly stay"

So, you either gotta go way different (Galactica reboot) or play it safe with a Big ship, male captain fully staffed by Star Fleet.

I'm bored of that- but try telling CBS/Paramount- no one is at home at the moment in any real sense. Viacom (Paramount) is being run by Sumner Redstone's lawyer- who doesn't act like he knows Trek, and I'm not sure that CBS is interested in producing something on its own.

I think a great place to see some of your ideas realized might be a direct to Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/YouTube Red model. I wonder how much a 12-13 ep run would cost- and would it be a profitable for CBS or Viacom/Paramount to bother.

 

[martok2112]

Once DS9 got the Defiant....things got interesting.

I realize this is a thread about Hard Star Trek, but a thought occurs to me: (which isn't often )

The Dominion War is over. What is to be done with the Defiant class line of ships? Are they to be repurposed for more scientific endeavors? Is the class to be decommissioned? Mothballed? Used as training vessels?

If I were to do a story set in the Prime universe (DS9 post-Dominion War), I would have some of the Defiant class retasked as patrol ships, allowing larger cruisers to do their primary functions: exploration and scientific operations, diplomacy, humanitarian aid, etc... A couple of Defiant class ships could be repurposed as training vessels.

For training, here's what I would do:
Runabouts-- Essentially small starships in their own right. (They even have individual NCC registries.) For cadets about to begin the space exploration part of the curriculum, a few cadets assigned to a runabout, with rotation to allow all cadets on board to handle command/helm-navigation/scientific application/communications/small level tactical operations. For a couple of weeks, one cadet is in command (under the supervision of a commissioned Starfleet Officer), while the others take on the subordinate functions. After those two weeks, the cadets rotate their positions. Another cadet is now in command.

During their final year, a crew of cadets (supervised by a small crew of commissioned SF officers) would train aboard a Defiant class. (Yes, I know there was an episode where cadets were training on, and then took command of a Defiant class ship ). The Defiant class is small, but it can allow the cadets to handle a wider range of training tasks. Also, the spartan accommodations aboard ship would make for (as we called it in the Army) "good training".

 

[Tim Walker]

Reost Dominion war

With the fleet devastated, I would certainly be using the existing Defiants. I would use them as patrol vessels, freeing up other ships for humanitarian aid, rebuilding, etc.

And in the immediate aftermath of the war, I think that exploration and science would be pretty much abandoned, with the Novas, Galaxys, etc. being used for relief efforts.

 

[fireproof78]

Why don't we just create a new Star Trek that use our today science to portray our future in the space? ...

... If we want Star Trek to be refreshed, then we have to put a new novelty in it. A new idea, that must be radically different in term of world building and technologies. ...

...What if we want some kind of CSI on space, ER (Emergency Room)? it's also okay. Or maybe we can take everything and mix them all ...

... What if we want to play "spy game" in this series? ... What if we change the Federation into a darker faction? Why not? Gotham change Wayne Industry into a darker entity, we can make Federation as a faction that has so many secret; maybe evil...

DS9 tried some of this. Some StarFleet conspiracy stuff, a series focused less on a ship, a series that was slightly darker, a series whose protagonists were a mix of both Standard Fleet personnel and a somewhat Alien, quite spiritual people.

Also there was a rebellious component in the form of the Maquis.

Remember how the majority of fans reacted in the 90's.
"Star Trek does not boldly stay"

So, you either gotta go way different (Galactica reboot) or play it safe with a Big ship, male captain fully staffed by Star Fleet.

I'm bored of that- but try telling CBS/Paramount- no one is at home at the moment in any real sense. Viacom (Paramount) is being run by Sumner Redstone's lawyer- who doesn't act like he knows Trek, and I'm not sure that CBS is interested in producing something on its own.

I think a great place to see some of your ideas realized might be a direct to Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/YouTube Red model. I wonder how much a 12-13 ep run would cost- and would it be a profitable for CBS or Viacom/Paramount to bother.

The profitability question is the biggest one. CBS makes money on Star Trek whether there is a new series or not, so asking them to put up money on something that might lose money is difficult, to say the least.

A reboot is a good question to ask, in my opinion. The idea of taking Star Trek and rebooting it to look to the future but based upon current scientific and more contemporary storytelling. Strong characters are key in all of this.

Once DS9 got the Defiant....things got interesting.

I realize this is a thread about Hard Star Trek, but a thought occurs to me: (which isn't often )

The Dominion War is over. What is to be done with the Defiant class line of ships? Are they to be repurposed for more scientific endeavors? Is the class to be decommissioned? Mothballed? Used as training vessels?

If I were to do a story set in the Prime universe (DS9 post-Dominion War), I would have some of the Defiant class retasked as patrol ships, allowing larger cruisers to do their primary functions: exploration and scientific operations, diplomacy, humanitarian aid, etc... A couple of Defiant class ships could be repurposed as training vessels.

For training, here's what I would do:
Runabouts-- Essentially small starships in their own right. (They even have individual NCC registries.) For cadets about to begin the space exploration part of the curriculum, a few cadets assigned to a runabout, with rotation to allow all cadets on board to handle command/helm-navigation/scientific application/communications/small level tactical operations. For a couple of weeks, one cadet is in command (under the supervision of a commissioned Starfleet Officer), while the others take on the subordinate functions. After those two weeks, the cadets rotate their positions. Another cadet is now in command.

During their final year, a crew of cadets (supervised by a small crew of commissioned SF officers) would train aboard a Defiant class. (Yes, I know there was an episode where cadets were training on, and then took command of a Defiant class ship ). The Defiant class is small, but it can allow the cadets to handle a wider range of training tasks. Also, the spartan accommodations aboard ship would make for (as we called it in the Army) "good training".

This could be interesting, especially from a character point of view. The experienced officers are ones who have to adjust their mindset from a war based one, to one that is about training and exploration again. This could even allow for some real world analogies of veterans returning from serving in country and the adjustment that has to be made.

The spartan accommodations could allow for more harder space travel, as the cadets get familiar with all the different aspects of space travel. Instead of treating it like routine, the cadets have to go through their paces of learning different facets, and this would introduce the audience to it a little more.

Get a real "Space Cadet" vibe from it now that I think about it. I like it

 

[Autistoid]

Why don't we just create a new Star Trek that use our today science to portray our future in the space?

The audience knowledge of space today is better than in '60 era. We have already have get a lot of dose of "space opera" from every where. Many games, books, science fiction, and even space opera use "transporter", "Replicator", "warp", etc. Borrowing Star Trek idea for their own good. So there is no novelty anymore in Star Trek. At least, the Star Trek that we know today.

If we want Star Trek to be refreshed, then we have to put a new novelty in it. A new idea, that must be radically different in term of world building and technologies. Everything is okay. You want a "Tomb Rider" model of Star Trek? Indiana Jones? they are all okay.

What if we want some kind of CSI on space, ER (Emergency Room)? it's also okay. Or maybe we can take everything and mix them all.

The point is, Star Trek must be changed. We need a new novelty idea that make it refresh. Something that can please people who have watch Gravity, Interstellar, etc. So what is the thing that can be put into Star Trek? What if we add kungfu in Star Trek? Someone there has some enhancement and capable to kick the klingon around? What if we want to play "spy game" in this series? What if we change the Federation into a darker faction? Why not? Gotham change Wayne Industry into a darker entity, we can make Federation as a faction that has so many secret; maybe evil.

Everything are okay. As far as Star Trek can have their new fresh face. We need novelty! As long as the novelty not coming, we won't see any Star Trek TV in the future.

Agree strongly in theory, although I think our executions might be very different.

 

[martok2112]

With the fleet devastated, I would certainly be using the existing Defiants. I would use them as patrol vessels, freeing up other ships for humanitarian aid, rebuilding, etc.

And in the immediate aftermath of the war, I think that exploration and science would be pretty much abandoned, with the Novas, Galaxys, etc. being used for relief efforts.

A very good set up.... and one that can kind of rekindle some Maquis style story elements.... Civilian members of the major governments who have been trapped behind enemy lines for so long, now awaiting aid, and it just doesn't seem to come quickly enough for them, despite the Federation's (and other governments') best efforts. Some such folk could become desperate, even (if they have the means) to resort to some low-level piracy to attain supplies. The Federation might not be their only targets. What if the Klingons or the Romulans, or even the Cardassians are trying to aid in the war-relief effort, and the desperate civilians attack them?

Why don't we just create a new Star Trek that use our today science to portray our future in the space? ...

... If we want Star Trek to be refreshed, then we have to put a new novelty in it. A new idea, that must be radically different in term of world building and technologies. ...

...What if we want some kind of CSI on space, ER (Emergency Room)? it's also okay. Or maybe we can take everything and mix them all ...

... What if we want to play "spy game" in this series? ... What if we change the Federation into a darker faction? Why not? Gotham change Wayne Industry into a darker entity, we can make Federation as a faction that has so many secret; maybe evil...

DS9 tried some of this. Some StarFleet conspiracy stuff, a series focused less on a ship, a series that was slightly darker, a series whose protagonists were a mix of both Standard Fleet personnel and a somewhat Alien, quite spiritual people.

Also there was a rebellious component in the form of the Maquis.

Remember how the majority of fans reacted in the 90's.
"Star Trek does not boldly stay"

So, you either gotta go way different (Galactica reboot) or play it safe with a Big ship, male captain fully staffed by Star Fleet.

I'm bored of that- but try telling CBS/Paramount- no one is at home at the moment in any real sense. Viacom (Paramount) is being run by Sumner Redstone's lawyer- who doesn't act like he knows Trek, and I'm not sure that CBS is interested in producing something on its own.

I think a great place to see some of your ideas realized might be a direct to Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/YouTube Red model. I wonder how much a 12-13 ep run would cost- and would it be a profitable for CBS or Viacom/Paramount to bother.

The profitability question is the biggest one. CBS makes money on Star Trek whether there is a new series or not, so asking them to put up money on something that might lose money is difficult, to say the least.

A reboot is a good question to ask, in my opinion. The idea of taking Star Trek and rebooting it to look to the future but based upon current scientific and more contemporary storytelling. Strong characters are key in all of this.

Once DS9 got the Defiant....things got interesting.

I realize this is a thread about Hard Star Trek, but a thought occurs to me: (which isn't often )

The Dominion War is over. What is to be done with the Defiant class line of ships? Are they to be repurposed for more scientific endeavors? Is the class to be decommissioned? Mothballed? Used as training vessels?

If I were to do a story set in the Prime universe (DS9 post-Dominion War), I would have some of the Defiant class retasked as patrol ships, allowing larger cruisers to do their primary functions: exploration and scientific operations, diplomacy, humanitarian aid, etc... A couple of Defiant class ships could be repurposed as training vessels.

For training, here's what I would do:
Runabouts-- Essentially small starships in their own right. (They even have individual NCC registries.) For cadets about to begin the space exploration part of the curriculum, a few cadets assigned to a runabout, with rotation to allow all cadets on board to handle command/helm-navigation/scientific application/communications/small level tactical operations. For a couple of weeks, one cadet is in command (under the supervision of a commissioned Starfleet Officer), while the others take on the subordinate functions. After those two weeks, the cadets rotate their positions. Another cadet is now in command.

During their final year, a crew of cadets (supervised by a small crew of commissioned SF officers) would train aboard a Defiant class. (Yes, I know there was an episode where cadets were training on, and then took command of a Defiant class ship ). The Defiant class is small, but it can allow the cadets to handle a wider range of training tasks. Also, the spartan accommodations aboard ship would make for (as we called it in the Army) "good training".

This could be interesting, especially from a character point of view. The experienced officers are ones who have to adjust their mindset from a war based one, to one that is about training and exploration again. This could even allow for some real world analogies of veterans returning from serving in country and the adjustment that has to be made.

The spartan accommodations could allow for more harder space travel, as the cadets get familiar with all the different aspects of space travel. Instead of treating it like routine, the cadets have to go through their paces of learning different facets, and this would introduce the audience to it a little more.

Get a real "Space Cadet" vibe from it now that I think about it. I like it

There had always been murmurs of a Star Trek show or movie where the ship was run (largely) by cadets... and even a StarFleet Academy type show or movie.

To be able to give a good idea of just what cadets go through during their training.

My idea would be to have a group cadets in their third year (say the initial points of "space exploration") assigned to a runabout. From this, they can learn not only things like maintaining a small warp and impulse engine system (for an engineering cadet), maneuvering and tactical systems (for a helmsman/nav cadet), etc...

But the notion would be that for each episode, there is a flashback to an in-class session for the cadets. The instructor has given them a hypothetical scenario. Many of the cadets would of course come up with almost text book answers, but there would be a cadet (out of what would form the crew for the runabout in question) who might have an outside-the-box insight that the instructor might find intriguing. Unbeknownst to the cadet, but knownst to us somehow (Sorry Mel ), the instructor has made note of this outside the box thinking, and will present it later as a practical lesson (if possible) in the runabout course of the curriculum.... or if it's something that calls for a bit more scale, said instructor might reserve such a scenario for when the cadets train on a Defiant class. Thus forming the basis for the scenario in the episode.

Good Lord, I cannot wait to get a new computer, iClone 6 PRO, Blender (latest version) and Hit Film 3 Ultimate....I want to get back into tribute film making, because all this talk has given me some ideas.

 

[Brainsucker]

Why don't we just create a new Star Trek that use our today science to portray our future in the space? ...

... If we want Star Trek to be refreshed, then we have to put a new novelty in it. A new idea, that must be radically different in term of world building and technologies. ...

...What if we want some kind of CSI on space, ER (Emergency Room)? it's also okay. Or maybe we can take everything and mix them all ...

... What if we want to play "spy game" in this series? ... What if we change the Federation into a darker faction? Why not? Gotham change Wayne Industry into a darker entity, we can make Federation as a faction that has so many secret; maybe evil...

DS9 tried some of this. Some StarFleet conspiracy stuff, a series focused less on a ship, a series that was slightly darker, a series whose protagonists were a mix of both Standard Fleet personnel and a somewhat Alien, quite spiritual people.

Also there was a rebellious component in the form of the Maquis.

Remember how the majority of fans reacted in the 90's.
"Star Trek does not boldly stay"

So, you either gotta go way different (Galactica reboot) or play it safe with a Big ship, male captain fully staffed by Star Fleet.

I'm bored of that- but try telling CBS/Paramount- no one is at home at the moment in any real sense. Viacom (Paramount) is being run by Sumner Redstone's lawyer- who doesn't act like he knows Trek, and I'm not sure that CBS is interested in producing something on its own.

I think a great place to see some of your ideas realized might be a direct to Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/YouTube Red model. I wonder how much a 12-13 ep run would cost- and would it be a profitable for CBS or Viacom/Paramount to bother.

I like DS9.

The problem is that the audience in '90 has different mood to the audience today. At that time, people still wanted more TNG. But today, We don't know if TOS & TNG model of Star Trek still sell.

My point is, Star Trek need to be refreshed. I don't care if we have to reboot, change the world setting, maybe put new tech idea that relevant to today audience. They need new novelty.

We have to change some tech like Tricoder, etc. As they are no longer feel awesome to use anymore anymore. Come on, we have Android, I-phone, etc. And with our experience of seeing more believe-able alien in the movie, human in costume won't make people satisfied any longer. Gravity (Sandra Bullock movie) also change our perception of space exploration.


So, if Star Trek wants to be refresh and get her novelty again, they must change. There is no constant thing in the world. Everyone changed, the one who still stay and statis will perish. If they don't want to change, or we, as the fan don't want to change, it will perish sooner or later

 

[Tarek71]

The aliens are fine. Humans in costumes are fine. The tech is fine too, for the most part. Trek could use with alot more robots and gynoids/androids, etc. But no one is not going to refuse to watch Trek because the tricorders don't have enough "novelty". There will be, and have been, tweaks and redesigns to sets and props just as with advances in special and visual efdects. The "modernizations" of TOS for NuTrek were fine though.

Very well written, well acted scripts with great stories and compelling characters is what is needed for any future show.

 

[Romo Lampkin]

Maybe a new series could be set 500-1000 years after 24th century. The Federation has fallen because beneath the veneer of utopia it was a completely fascist, corrupt organisation that privileged human members and more specifically members of the military dictatorship starfleet. Or perhaps that's how it's perceived by people in this galactic dark age, the federation failed to achieve it's outcomes, it was involved in numerous wars, section 31 etc, although the opposition were worse, the Romulan empire, klingons etc. In contrast to TNG, Voy and DS9 to a lesser extent the focus would be on ordinary, imperfect characters rather than shining examples of starfleet.

It could have a Foundation-esque story arc, these characters are trying to revive the good elements of the Federation while learning from its mistakes, and because of whatever cataclysm ended the Federation you have a certain level of technological regress but also some reveals. For example, there was never any reason they couldn't travel to other galaxies, the Fed just imposed that so they could a political and economic monopoly. So this secret tech became available after the fall. But other than that, current ships use rocket propulsion for in system travel, warp for large distances as warp travel creates huge shockwaves that have to take place some distance from planetary bodies without destroying them. It could be kind of like interstellar cyberpunk.

 

[Tim Walker]

Very well written, well acted scripts with great stories and compelling characters is what is needed for any future show.

I absolutely agree. Indeed, every other detail should exist to support these goals.

 

[Tim Walker]

What sort of FTL communication would further a good, character centric story?

If there is none, you get a space opera like Jerry Pournelle's. Messages are carried by couriers, which may result in haphazard communication.

This situation may resemble a Western. If you need to summon the cavalry, you dispatch some brave soul and hope that the bad guys don't get him.

If you do have a method of FTL communication, you should consider how the details may help or hinder the storytelling. How much bandwidth is there? Are there speed or range limitations? Is there voice or video?

If bandwidth is very low, and transmission is slow, you may need to transmit something like Morse code. Messages will tend to be very terse.

I have a vision of Uhura tapping on a telegraph key, though I suppose it would actually be a button.

If range is very broad, and messages are effectively instantaneous, voice-and especially video-communication may permit Starfleet Command to micro-manage a captain in the field.

I have been rewatching an SG-1 episode, A Matter of Time.

To summarize, a black hole is about to swallow up a planet. The immense gravitational pull is causing time dilation on the planet' surface. And an SG team, who appear to be moving in slow motion, are trying to dial home in desperation-in slow motion.

Information is crossing through the stargate very slowly. Excrutiatingly slow.

This may sound like a contradiction, it is an FTL signal, but not in real time-which almost causes disaster.