Had Tasha Yar Remained on TNG

[Takeru]

If Tasha had stayed it would have made sense to make Worf the chief engineer, he was the one main character (minus Wesley who was a kid) who didn't have a defined job and they wanted a permanent chief engineer towards the end of season 1.

Wesley would then fill Worf's slot of helping out wherever he's needed which makes more sense than sitting at the conn if he's supposed to train.

 

[Emperor Norton]

If Tasha had stayed it would have made sense to make Worf the chief engineer, he was the one main character (minus Wesley who was a kid) who didn't have a defined job and they wanted a permanent chief engineer towards the end of season 1.

Wesley would then fill Worf's slot of helping out wherever he's needed which makes more sense than sitting at the conn if he's supposed to train.

"Captain, we must eject the warp core at the Romulans!"

 

[Finn]

If Tasha had stayed it would have made sense to make Worf the chief engineer, he was the one main character (minus Wesley who was a kid) who didn't have a defined job and they wanted a permanent chief engineer towards the end of season 1.

Wesley would then fill Worf's slot of helping out wherever he's needed which makes more sense than sitting at the conn if he's supposed to train.

What? No. Geordi was already playing a role of a junior engineer when Picard (or Riker?) needed him to do a task several times during season one. I noticed it when I did a rewatch on Netflix last summer. Worf...definitely not

 

[Emperor Norton]

What? No. Geordi was already playing a role of a junior engineer when Picard (or Riker?) needed him to do a task several times during season one. I noticed it when I did a rewatch on Netflix last summer. Worf...definitely not

Worf: "I have finished recalibrating the warp core."

Computer: "Warp core balance is still off by .8%"

*Pissed off Worf smashes dilithium chamber*

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[JesterFace]

If Tasha was around from season 1 to 7, 'Legacy' might have never been written, but if those events had occured, Tasha and Ishara meeting after many years might have been interesting.

 

[jaime]

Apart from the obvious impact on Worf's character development, this is the biggest thing about Crosby that made me glad she decided to move on. Not that the first season offered a lot of great performances in general, but next to Troi's "Pain... pain..." in "Farpoint," Tasha had some truly cringe-inducing moments... the penalty box in "Hide and Q," her "Just say no" speech to Wesley in "Symbiosis," and the less we say about "Code of Honor" the better. And she didn't impress me much when she came back for "Yesterday's Enterprise" or as Commander Sela in "Redemption" and "Unification." I never could understand why anyone thought adding Sela to Nemesis would have actually made that film better.

Re: Nemesis...it's less to do with the actress and more to do with making thematic and narrative sense to use that character. She's a Romulan, she has a close interest in Picard because of her mother, she is an evil twin, she's had access to Picard to get her hands on DNA (her office in Unification) she has a tendency to the kind of crazy plan we see here (retroactively making her Sorans trilithium supplier in generations would help too.) and as a TNG swan song, it makes sense and may have helped some of the weaker aspects in the story. Hell...if we are gonna go all out, we should have had the Romulan that Troi temporarily replaced turn up. Basically....it wouldn't have made the film any worse if she was filling the ...what's her name....it's not Donatra...the turncoat in the Mogai....role. Drop Ron Psychic Bat Perlman (frankly drop the Remans) and it would all be a better story.

 

[NigellaDeanna20]

Denise Crosby left Star Trek: The Next Generation before the first season was over because they were not using her character enough. And it is a fair point that the first season was a nearly unwatchable disaster, to quote Ron Moore. However, the show changed by season 3 thanks in large part to Michael Piller. Gone were shallow plots, shallow and perfect characters, and a monster of the week format. Instead, it turned to deep character exploration which was as much a focus as any other part of the plot. Crosby did not get to share in this period, which is the purpose of this thread. What if Denise Crosby had not left the show? How would that character have developed and what would it do to the show? Certainly one thing is the shifting positions of the crew. Worf was a character that simply filled any open gaps until the Tasha Yar character died. And around that time, Geordi was initially navigator until they made him the engineer.

Would have been very interesting to have seen how her character would have developed had she stayed. Certainly Worf would never have been the Chief Security officer.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Re: Nemesis...it's less to do with the actress and more to do with making thematic and narrative sense to use that character. She's a Romulan, she has a close interest in Picard because of her mother, she is an evil twin, she's had access to Picard to get her hands on DNA (her office in Unification) she has a tendency to the kind of crazy plan we see here (retroactively making her Sorans trilithium supplier in generations would help too.) and as a TNG swan song, it makes sense and may have helped some of the weaker aspects in the story. Hell...if we are gonna go all out, we should have had the Romulan that Troi temporarily replaced turn up. Basically....it wouldn't have made the film any worse if she was filling the ...what's her name....it's not Donatra...the turncoat in the Mogai....role. Drop Ron Psychic Bat Perlman (frankly drop the Remans) and it would all be a better story.

Not making that movie would have been a better story. Otherwise, all you've done is make a few nods that only the continuity-porn fanatics will care about, and shuffled the deck chairs on the Shit-tanic as it inexorably makes its way to the bottom of the sea (and the box office charts).

The producer Richard D. Zanuck once said "When a picture previews badly, there's very little you can do. You can make it a better picture by putting some things in or taking some things out, but you can't save it. The hand has been dealt, and there's no way of putting the cards back in the deck." He was talking about the 1967 stinker Doctor Doolittle (which he produced), but he's just as easily describing Nemesis or any other number of movies that could be made marginally better with editing or reshoots (or, as many have suggested on this board over the years, re-inserting most or all of the scenes that ended up on the "Deleted Scenes" reel), but in the end can't be saved.

 

[jaime]

Not making that movie would have been a better story. Otherwise, all you've done is make a few nods that only the continuity-porn fanatics will care about, and shuffled the deck chairs on the Shit-tanic as it inexorably makes its way to the bottom of the sea (and the box office charts).

The producer Richard D. Zanuck once said "When a picture previews badly, there's very little you can do. You can make it a better picture by putting some things in or taking some things out, but you can't save it. The hand has been dealt, and there's no way of putting the cards back in the deck." He was talking about the 1967 stinker Doctor Doolittle (which he produced), but he's just as easily describing Nemesis or any other number of movies that could be made marginally better with editing or reshoots (or, as many have suggested on this board over the years, re-inserting most or all of the scenes that ended up on the "Deleted Scenes" reel), but in the end can't be saved.

That is indeed one way of putting it. They should have made another without Spiner or Stewart just to spite them XD

I do think some actual motivation and stakes...which Sela brings..would help the story.

 

[cardinal biggles]

You're missing my point: Sela was a lackluster character portrayed by someone who couldn't act their way out of a wet paper bag. Adding her to Nemesis was not something that would have made it a better movie.

 

[jaime]

You're missing my point: Sela was a lackluster character portrayed by someone who couldn't act their way out of a wet paper bag. Adding her to Nemesis was not something that would have made it a better movie.

Adding the actress? No, you're missing my point....the character, with its specific history, would have added to the story and been in keeping with its theme. Would it still be a crap movie? Possibly. Going back on topic, it would have been Tashas job to save Picard, not Data (and it should have been Worf anyway.)

 

[cardinal biggles]

The stakes the character adds are pretty underwhelming. She hates Picard because she hated her mom. So she's going to make a Picard clone to swap out with the real Picard and undermine the Federation. I've seen Bond movies with better plots than that. And coincidentally, they've also been written by hack extraordinare John Logan.

 

[Emperor Norton]

Personally, my interest in this scenario has changed to Chief Engineer Worf.

 

[jaime]

The stakes the character adds are pretty underwhelming. She hates Picard because she hated her mom. So she's going to make a Picard clone to swap out with the real Picard and undermine the Federation. I've seen Bond movies with better plots than that. And coincidentally, they've also been written by hack extraordinare John Logan.

Yeah....I 'experienced' those movies too. XD
To be fair, at least it makes sense of why Picard was chosen for cloning. And Selas whole shtick is not so much that she hated her mum, but that she tells herself this because she got her killed. It's always been a character waiting for the other shoe to drop and have her redemption. Which would have come as she changes side at the end of Nemesis.

 

[Sakonna]

I do think some actual motivation and stakes...which Sela brings..would help the story.

My feeling is that the problems with Nemesis were deep enough that adding Sela would have just made it a different type of bad (albeit a type of bad I would probably have enjoyed more... if it's the last movie anyway, I enjoy some continuity porn).

But I am someone who has often said: Sela should have been the new regular character instead of Ezri in the last season of DS9!

So I can relate to the experience of suggesting "this Trek would be so much better with Sela in it!", and having everyone else say "I hate that idea!"

 

[Voth commando1]

Tasha Yar wasn't anything very interesting heck I would have cared about seeing her a Romulan general's mistress that would have been interesting.

 

[Logopolis]

If she stayed? We would have ended up with a less crappier Season 2.

 

[Finn]

No. We would have still had Pulaski

 

[Voth commando1]

So no one interested in Romulan mistress and war conquest Tasha?

 

[Logopolis]

No. We would have still had Pulaski

Tasha would have been a fine distraction