Gut Reaction: How Does STID Rate?

[Kirby]

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. First Contact
3. The Voyage Home
4. The Search for Spock
5. Star Trek 09
6. Into Darkness
7. The Undiscovered Country
8. Generations
9. Insurrection
10. The Motion Picture
11. The Final Frontier
12. Nemesis

 

[Enterpriserules]

1. The Undiscovered Country
2. Wrath of Khan
3. Into Darkness
4. First Contact
5. Star Trek
6. Search for Spock
7. Voyage Home
8. Generations
9. The Motion Picture
10. The Final Frontier
11. Insurrection
12. Nemesis

 

[Mjolnir2000]

Great films:
1. The Undiscovered Country
2. Wrath of Khan
3. First Contact

Good films:
4. Insurrection
5. Search for Spock
6. The Voyage Home
7. 2009

Mediocre films:
8. Generations
9. The Motion Picture
10. The Final Frontier

Films that I'll happily never watch again:
11. Nemesis
12. Into Darkness

 

[Therin of Andor]

Opening weekend gut reaction: How does Into Darkness rate vs. other Trek films?

Until "Star Trek" (2009), no other ST movie had managed to engulf me the way that ST:TMP did in December 1979. I was on that ship.

STiD was almost as satisfying as TMP and ST 2009. Loved that niggly feeling of still not being 100% sure of what Harrison would reveal about his origins until he said it.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Great ST Films:

Star Trek 2009
Into Darkness
First Contact
TWOK

Good films:

ST 3
ST4

not so good (but still enjoyable):

TMP
ST 5
Generations
Insurrection
Nemesis

 

[Enterpriserules]

I do like seeing that Into Darkness is ranking so high with so many people

 

[RoJoHen]

My parents came out to visit yesterday, and we finally went to see the movie. At the end of the movie, my mom started clapping and yelled, "Best one ever!"

She spent the whole movie gasping and giggling and tapping me on the shoulder every time they made a reference to something from the old show. She definitely loved it.

I need to see it again, but it may very well rank as my favorite Trek movie of all time.

 

[BillJ]

I do like seeing that Into Darkness is ranking so high with so many people

It really is an entertaining movie.

 

[M-Red]

Just a few first thoughts, though I'll omit some I'm sure.


First, a few dislikes:

• Khan as a character could have been developed more fully. His story wasn't really introduced to our heroes for quite awhile, and the story was forced to add some unnecessary intra-crew fluff to compensate.I wasn't hoping to see Khan 2.0 but I really really like how STID provides a fresh new take on the character and the performance was well delivered. Just wish there would have been a little more, a little earlier, and a little deeper.

• Too much gratuitous cursing. No reason for it. We get it. They're adults and they can cuss. The San Fransisco bus scene in TVH came to mind....

• Needless crew infighting to produce a drama that didnt' seem believable in places, and only seemed present in order to get the script going and to a poetic endpoint. STID could have depicted a crew that was a little more settled down and at ease with itself. Not much growth from ST09.
• 5-Year Mission!? Set that up better! Don't just drop it at the end in an, "Oh, by the way..." fashion. Set it up
• Many technical and logical problems came up, but I won't go there right here.
• The ending was sort of perfunctory.
• JJ-Trek's vision of the future, while perhaps more realistic, doesn't have the same allure and charm of old Trek. Mankind hasn't made the great leap forward intellectually and morally in JJ-Trek. The technology has of course, but not the humanity that first enchanted me with Trek's utopian-esque futurism. It's more flashy, but somehow not as bright.

Now the likes.

• What a fantastic opening. Really, I enjoyed it even more than ST09's opening sequence. What a fun, energetic and completely awesome way to start a major Trek adventure. Well done, all. I was smiling and ready to go.
• Cumberbatch. He just gave a new and nearly wholly different take on Khan and I was pleasantly surprised. Underutilized as a character, Khan makes the most of it even if its a starkly different depiction.
• Appreciated all the insider Easter eggs. There were plenty, and I'm sure I'll notice more with increased viewings.
• Yeah it's much more flash and eye candy than some of its predecessors, but it's not total fluff and complete action-for-its-own sake. This film actually does have something to say. More than ST09. It's not going to beat you over the head with messaging, but it does have one. Broader and more subtle, but it's definitely there, even if it's not always coherent.
• Klingon depictions were excellent.
• Loved the new twist to the Kirk-Khan relationship. Working together despite their struggle. The action scenes with them were first rate. A far cry from watching Patrick Stewart flail around against cheesy costumed villains.
• A surprise appearance by Spock Prime. Contrived? Yeah, but I don't care. Approved!
• This one, like the last one ---for all its flaws and cheap flashing lights ---is just plain fun. It tries to (largely) stay true to the spirit of Trek while still appealing to a modern mass-youth audience, and it does so while splashing in humor, action, love and morality.
• STID is the first Trek in a long while where the villain doesn't die. It was passed time for a Trek to end in without the predictable villain death-explosion. Surprised it was JJ who did it.

I have more thoughts, but that's enough for now.



I very much enjoyed it....more than ST09.



On my personal ratings list, STID has moved into 6th place. That's pretty good because I very much enjoy several of the older films that our now below it.

• TUC
• TWOK
• TSFS
• FC
• TVH
• STID

 

[donners22]

Certainly up there with my favourites. I think this list changes every time I do it, but roughly:

The Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Into Darkness
The Voyage Home
Nemesis
Generations
Wrath of Khan
Insurrection
2009
The Final Frontier
The Motion Picture

 

[Enterpriserules]

I do like seeing that Into Darkness is ranking so high with so many people

It really is an entertaining movie.

It really was! The novelization is well worth the read or listen too if you want some added plot. each of the scenes has more time to breathe in the book and so there is more explanation for things

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Best Star Trek movies:

1 and 2: TWOK/Into Darkness, depending on my mood;
3: ST 2009;
4: ST:TMP;
5-Whatever: The rest of those things.

 

[DaleC76]

I'm still in the honeymoon period with ID, and it ranked pretty high, behind TWOK SFS and maybe TMP. It's a flawed film, but enjoyable and charming. I was meh after ST09, but ID has me excited about the future if Star Trek.

 

[Enterpriserules]

I'm still in the honeymoon period with ID, and it ranked pretty high, behind TWOK SFS and maybe TMP. It's a flawed film, but enjoyable and charming. I was meh after ST09, but ID has me excited about the future if Star Trek.

I am with you, even TWOK has a few flaws, all films do, but this is a good Trek movie!

 

[Noname Given]

1. Into Darkness / The Wrath of Khan (For me a tie)
2. Star Trek 09
3. First Contact
4. The Motion Picture (The Director's Cut version)
5. The Voyage Home
6. The Search for Spock
7. The Undiscovered Country
8. Insurrection
9. Generations
10. Nemesis
11. The Final Frontier

 

[RAMA]

I'm still in the honeymoon period with ID, and it ranked pretty high, behind TWOK SFS and maybe TMP. It's a flawed film, but enjoyable and charming. I was meh after ST09, but ID has me excited about the future if Star Trek.

I actually liked it better the second time I saw it. I also felt that way after ST09, these movies never old. I watched ST09 for the first time in awhile before STID and it was just as fun. I agree STID is not perfect, but none of the Star Trek OR STar Wars movies are anyway, and STID is more enjoyable to me than any SW film.

RAMA

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I saw it for a 2nd time last Friday night. Some people have suggested that the irritating parts of the movie get less irritating on repeat viewings. For me, the difference was negligible. I'm slowly acclimating to Cumberbatch's portrayal of Khan. (And I do like the team up with him & Kirk. "I thought he was helping us." "I'm pretty sure we're helping him.") But the blatant Wrath of Khan rip-offs at the end are still too stupid for me to forgive. Even if I ever get past my other issues with the J.J. Abrams universe as a whole, I don't think I'll ever be able to see Into Darkness as anything but an unmitigated, juvenile, fan-wanky mess.

 

[Robert_T_April]

1)The Undiscovered Country (Perfect in every way! Gorgeous sendoff to TOS.)
2)The Wrath of Khan (Brilliant, although Genesis was a bit far-fetched.)
3)The Voyage Home (Great lighthearted story, f/x, and awesome uplifting ending.)
4)Star Trek '09 (epic reboot!...despite the plotholes.)
5)Into Darkness (Visually awesome, enjoyed watching this iconic crew grow together.)
6)Search for Spock (Loved the movie but look at it as an extension of TWoK.)
7)First Contact (The best TNG movie but, squandered opportunity with The Borg IMO.)
8)The Motion Picture (Slow but, actually a very good movie.)
9)The Final Frontier (Bad story, worse visually, great sound f/x though.)
10)Insurrection (would have made a good 2-part episode.)
11)Generations (completely unnecessary! Disappointing in every way.)
12)Nemesis (Disgraceful in every way.)

 

[Kabraxal]

1 - The Voyage Home: it's one my favourite movies period. Just a blast to watch and one of my earliest Trek memories.
2 - Generations: I don't get the hate really... I loved the movie and felt it had an actual good farewell to a character.
3 - Wrath of Khan: as a child it was hard to watch, but now I really get into it.
4 - Into Darkness: preliminary given I've just seen it and in IMAX 3D (gorgeous), but I felt it was just a solid Trek movie when I wasn't expecting it. It's what ST09 should have been in my mind.
5 - Undiscovered Country: first trek film I got to see in theatre.
6 - Nemesis: probably take heat for this, but absolutely love the film. The only reason it is this low... the deleted scenes should have been in. It made the movie flow and make more sense.
7 - The Motion Picture: good classic Trek feeling, if a little intellectual and slow at point. Still great.
8 - First Contact: good film, but I always felt the Borg were a tad overrused by that point.
9 - The Final Frontier: I liked most of it... a bit odd but still good fun.
10 - Search for Spock: really weird at points...
11 - Insurrection: some good... but mostly it felt like a run of the mill stand alone episode. Good in many ways, but as a movie, just a little too much.
12 - ST09: great film, terrible Star Trek film. I still feel like I'm watching Star Wars with this one.

I mean, it's shocking that Into Darkness overcomes its predecessor... I really didn't expect it. Though, I don't know how they can pull off a movie now that they are fully in the original series premise. No doubt they can make a good one, but I kinda really want a series now. Hell, I'd take an alternate universe oriented series. Who says you can't have it running and produce a normal timeline series in conjunction down the line?

 

[Seska]

going from right to wrong:

3 the magnum opus
2
6 the swan song
4
1
5
12
11
8
7
9
10 the wrongest wrong in all of Wrongville

Love,
Seska