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Gul Dukat Rules - Favorite Moment

mysticgeek

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My favorite "villain" on DS9 is Gul Dukat for sure! He has a great personality and the way he carries himself is incredible. I wish he wouldn't have gotten so caught up in that prophets stuff at the end with Kai Winn ... but even there he was great. He is in some memorable scenes.
I wonder if Kira would have ever gotten with him ... I thought she was thinking about it hard in "Retrun to Grace" and "Indiscretion" .. who knows though.

What is your favorite Dukat moment?
 
I was not sure that anyone would get the reference:rommie:

(it is one of my favorite trilogies in Treklit and ranks alongside ASiT and TNES as the finest DS9 novels)
 
I wonder if Kira would have ever gotten with him ... I thought she was thinking about it hard in "Retrun to Grace" and "Indiscretion"

Nah, I don't think that was ever going to happen. Maybe she thought he was kind of attractive, but I don't think she could have got past what he did.
 
Personally, I would have lost all respect for her if she had. He's a great character, and I love watching him, and I'm indebted to the folks who had a hand in creating him (the writers and, particularly, Marc Alaimo). But the Kira I came to know, the one who risked her life trying to free her people from Dukat and people just like him, would never get romantically involved with the enemy of her people. That's just disturbing, frankly - like a resistance fighter in Paris 1940 (or even after the war in Paris 1948) getting cuddly with a Nazi general or the commandant of a prisoner-of-war camp. Brrrrrrrr!

That said, one of my favorite Dukat moments was when he flicked Sisko's baseball to the floor. It was so...so...Dukatian!
 
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That said, one of my favorite Dukat moments was when he flicked Sisko's baseball to the floor. It was so...so...Dukatian!
Yeah, everything in "Civil Defense" from when he beams into ops til he realizes he's stuck there too is my favorite Dukat stuff. Love that episode. :techman:
 
My favorite "villain" on DS9 is Gul Dukat for sure! He has a great personality and the way he carries himself is incredible. I wish he wouldn't have gotten so caught up in that prophets stuff at the end with Kai Winn ... but even there he was great. He is in some memorable scenes.
I wonder if Kira would have ever gotten with him ... I thought she was thinking about it hard in "Retrun to Grace" and "Indiscretion" .. who knows though.

What is your favorite Dukat moment?

When he got the stalagmite stuck in his ass
 
A word of advice: search button is your friend ;) Before posting a new thread, I usually check if there has been another one about the same thing recently. There was another thread with exactly the same subject about a month ago.

BTW how many Dukat threads have we had in the last couple of months? It really seems like he is the most popular topic around here.

Seriously was this necessary? Lighten the hell up!

Oh know we are talking about something that happened in another thread! Does this upset you sense of order and balance?

Anyway, Dukat was a wonderful kind of villain! A villain that knew he was screwing over people but hid it behind a vail of nationalism! I always got the impression that Gul Dukat knew it was all BS to start with but got off on how many people he could fool like that nurse ratchet !@#$%!
 
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I know... like what? Fans of Trek cannot have multiple threads about the awesomeness of Gul Dukat????? There can never be enough of such a classic villain!!!
 
Personally, I would have lost all respect for her if she had. He's a great character, and I love watching him, and I'm indebted to the folks who had a hand in creating him (the writers and, particularly, Marc Alaimo). But the Kira I came to know, the one who risked her life trying to free her people from Dukat and people just like him, would never get romantically involved with the enemy of her people. That's just disturbing, frankly - like a resistance fighter in Paris 1940 (or even after the war in Paris 1948) getting cuddly with a Nazi general or the commandant of a prisoner-of-war camp. Brrrrrrrr!

That said, one of my favorite Dukat moments was when he flicked Sisko's baseball to the floor. It was so...so...Dukatian!
Why would you have lost respect for her? The occupation was over. They really do make a good team too. Time heals all wounds and after they got to know each other more they got to learn more about each other and forgive and forget. I mean... she cared about his daughter enough to watch over her ... there had to be something more there than just trying to protect Ziyal. Man she wanted her there so Dukat would come back and be in her life.
Plus... if they hooked up and actually got married or whatever, that would be a huge symbol of unity to the Bajoran people and Cardasians because they both held such esteemed positions on their worlds.
 
Personally, I would have lost all respect for her if she had. He's a great character, and I love watching him, and I'm indebted to the folks who had a hand in creating him (the writers and, particularly, Marc Alaimo). But the Kira I came to know, the one who risked her life trying to free her people from Dukat and people just like him, would never get romantically involved with the enemy of her people. That's just disturbing, frankly - like a resistance fighter in Paris 1940 (or even after the war in Paris 1948) getting cuddly with a Nazi general or the commandant of a prisoner-of-war camp. Brrrrrrrr!

That said, one of my favorite Dukat moments was when he flicked Sisko's baseball to the floor. It was so...so...Dukatian!
Why would you have lost respect for her? The occupation was over. They really do make a good team too. Time heals all wounds and after they got to know each other more they got to learn more about each other and forgive and forget. I mean... she cared about his daughter enough to watch over her ... there had to be something more there than just trying to protect Ziyal. Man she wanted her there so Dukat would come back and be in her life.
Plus... if they hooked up and actually got married or whatever, that would be a huge symbol of unity to the Bajoran people and Cardasians because they both held such esteemed positions on their worlds.

Why? Because no matter how charming he is, how charismatic, how wonderful to watch, Dukat is a bad guy - a bad person - in the fullest sense of the phrase. Yes, he had some good qualities, but he had more bad qualities than good, and he never stopped having those bad qualities. In fact, he didn't seem to realize he had them.

Bad guys can repent, but Dukat never repented, never even acknowledged that he had anything to repent. He, in fact, saw himself as the good guy, the hero - and that's the worst kind of bad guy that there is since there is no hope that he'll become a better person. He was delusional, really. Sociopaths can be extremely charming, and that's what Dukat was - charming, charismatic, and yes, even sexy, but also a sociopath. About his only really good quality was his love for his children, but even there, his love for himself was greater. He loved himself more than he ever loved anything else, and that includes his children and Cardassia itself.

We are not talking about any old Cardassian here. We are not talking about somebody who was indirectly affected by the occupation and rape of Bajor. We are talking about one of the people who oversaw and facilitated the occupation and rape of Bajor. That not only isn't the kind of thing people - real people - forget. It's the kind of thing they shouldn't forget.

I think you are letting his charm and charisma mislead you, to be honest.

A romance with some other Cardassian might have the effect you describe, but with Dukat? No. I don't think that having a former resistance fighter become involved with such a person would be a huge symbol of unity. I think it would be a sign that the former resistance fighter had been brainwashed - that Kira had bought into Dukat's own delusion.

Kira was a fighter. That's the Kira I admired. (I didn't always like her, though I usually did, but I always admired her.) I would not admire a Kira who became a goopy, delusional romantic who so forgot who she is and where she had come from that she would have a romantic relationship with the man who was essentially the commandant of the prison camp that was Bajor under the occupation.

Yes, it would be romantic. Big deal. There are lots more important things than romance.

And if you'll forgive my saying so - I really don't want to offend you here, but this is how I see it - such a romance would be sooooo hackneyed. I mean, in how many movies and TV shows and books do we have the scenario of former antagonists who fall in love? Jeez, can't a man and a woman have an emotional relationship that doesn't end up as a romance? Here, we did. Yay!
 
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WELL spoken. You lay out exactly why a romance or even friendship with Dukat is unbelievable, with Kira, but why it WAS acceptable for her to have Tekeny Ghemor as her godfather. Tekeny understood that his people HAD done wrong and had no problems with saying it in completely undisguised terms. (Though the WAY Kira was treating him at that point was a whole other matter... :( )
 
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