Guess who's back? (Spoilers!)

[kirk55555]

I really don't think I'm the one in denial, but whatever. All I know is the Doctor put it on after regenerating, wore it every time we saw him, and was wearing it when he regenerated. A bunch of audio's which are definitely not followed by the BBC, except for little tidbits like the 8th Doctor bringing up some audio companion names. Don't get me wrong, there is stuff I'd like to have been canon, and not just from Big Finish. The Doctor traveled with a penguin private detective, which is amazing. I'm just saying that the blue coat has made no canon appearances, so it doesn't count. That doesn't mean you can't like the thing (even though I think the blue costume makes him look like a sentient blue berry), it just means that, as far as whatever canon the franchise has is concerned, he never wore it.

I mean, you can head canon it, which is definitely something I can understand. And its not as out of continuity as, say, the stupid Loom stuff from the old books, since technically it is possible for the 6th Doctor to have worn the blue coat, but until we see evidence of it, he didn't.

 

[Captaindemotion]

You're in denial. The show aknowledges and embraces Big Finish readily, dude. And not just the Eighth Doctor range, for that matter.

I don't really see how the Eighth Doctor, who's only been seen on screen a couple of times, mentioning by name some of his audio companions in a little short recorded for the 50th anniversary, constitutes every aspect of BF suddenly becoming canon.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

I really don't think I'm the one in denial, but whatever. All I know is the Doctor put it on after regenerating, wore it every time we saw him, and was wearing it when he regenerated. A bunch of audio's which are definitely not followed by the BBC, except for little tidbits like the 8th Doctor bringing up some audio companion names.

Not followed by the BBC? You do know BF can't make Doctor Who without their licence, right? And not only that, BF and Wales are in tight communication all the time, making sure each other's storylines don't overlap or contradict one another. Its common knowledge, this.

Don't get me wrong, there is stuff I'd like to have been canon, and not just from Big Finish. The Doctor traveled with a penguin private detective, which is amazing.

There are two audios with that very companion.

I'm just saying that the blue coat has made no canon appearances, so it doesn't count. That doesn't mean you can't like the thing (even though I think the blue costume makes him look like a sentient blue berry), it just means that, as far as whatever canon the franchise has is concerned, he never wore it.

There's this thing, called Real Time, a webcast animation (later adapted, better, into audio). Its also where the coat was conceived, because the animators couldn't animate his patchwork.

I mean, you can head canon it, which is definitely something I can understand. And its not as out of continuity as, say, the stupid Loom stuff from the old books,

Even BF ignore the Looms!

since technically it is possible for the 6th Doctor to have worn the blue coat, but until we see evidence of it, he didn't.

I don't really see how the Eighth Doctor, who's only been seen on screen a couple of times, mentioning by name some of his audio companions in a little short recorded for the 50th anniversary, constitutes every aspect of BF suddenly becoming canon.

Well, since we've forgotten that the first NuWho Cybermen appearence aknwoledged on-screen Marc Platt's script, I'll just refrain in staying in this context.

Aside from the Real Time reference above... By making Eighth's companions canonical, Moffat inadvertently (and probably unknowingly) did make Six's blue coat canonical. How?

Because Charley, through sheer timey-whimeyness, ends up as Six's companion. A Sixth Doctor, wearing that very blue coat. So, keeping strictly to the parameters set by Night of the Doctor, thats how the seperation goes.

Bingo.

 

[Ithekro]

You know, if they pull an episode with Captain Jack meeting the Twelth Doctor and Jack mentions the name Frobisher. What happens if the Doctor acknowledges that name, but mentions he's not seen the penguin in a long time? How confused would Jack and the audiance be?

 

[The Wormhole]

You know, if they pull an episode with Captain Jack meeting the Twelth Doctor and Jack mentions the name Frobisher. What happens if the Doctor acknowledges that name, but mentions he's not seen the penguin in a long time? How confused would Jack and the audiance be?

It wouldn't be any different than any of the other off-the-wall things the Doctor has said in any given episode over the past fifty years. The audience would take it in stride, maybe Jack and whoever the Doctor's companion is would share a brief "WTF?" look and then things would continue from there

 

[Captaindemotion]

I guess the concept of 'picking and choosing' is lost on some people.

The Star Trek movies and later TV series borrowed elements they liked from TAS and Treklit, such as Sulu's name, but that doesn't mean that every aspect of the cartoon are the books must be considered canon.

Anyway, if the blue coat ever appears onscreen in the DW series, I'll come back and eat a Tom Baker-sized scarf.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

It wouldn't be any different than any of the other off-the-wall things the Doctor has said in any given episode over the past fifty years. The audience would take it in stride, maybe Jack and whoever the Doctor's companion is would share a brief "WTF?" look and then things would continue from there

Also, didn't they kinda do that last year, with the "cameo" of a Marvel-penned DW character? In Time Heist, last year.

The Star Trek movies and later TV series borrowed elements they liked from TAS and Treklit, such as Sulu's name, but that doesn't mean that every aspect of the cartoon are the books must be considered canon.

By Coto's word, TAS is canon. And no one disapproved of this since, so... Plus, how can it not be canon? its Shatner & co. voicing the characters they played! Come on.

Anyway, if the blue coat ever appears onscreen in the DW series, I'll come back and eat a Tom Baker-sized scarf.

I doubt it will, too. I'm just saying, it should - just like the Fourth's grey and/or burgundy coats should, or or Ten's blue suit, or any of Third's variant clothes.

Come to think of it, the Fifth might be the only Doctor in the old run to have one single suit. Every other Doctor has had a variant - although I'm not sure about the second.

 

[Nightowl1701]

He did - both white & blue shirts.

 

[kirk55555]

Aside from the Real Time reference above... By making Eighth's companions canonical, Moffat inadvertently (and probably unknowingly) did make Six's blue coat canonical. How?

Because Charley, through sheer timey-whimeyness, ends up as Six's companion. A Sixth Doctor, wearing that very blue coat. So, keeping strictly to the parameters set by Night of the Doctor, thats how the seperation goes.

Bingo.

Nope. Making Charley canonical doesn't make ever specific adventure with her canonical. All it means is that the 8th Doctor, in canon, knew someone named Charley. There is no on screen evidence that Charley knew any Doctor but the eighth, and no evidence of any specific adventure she had with the 8th. If you want to get nitpicky, there is no evidence that the Charley he mentioned is even the same one from Big Finish, although I'll admit that the intention is obviously that its the same person. But, no, the 8th Doctor saying one person's name doesn't add anything but the name itself to Doctor Who canon, it certainly doesn't put the big finish audios into continuity.