Guess where the Hobus star went to?

[Silversmok3]

I just thought of something , after DVD viewing number 10...

IF Spock created the black hole that stopped the Hobus nova-and both Spock and Nero went through the same 'black hole' -it begs a question of where all the hot, superheated plasma materialized at.

The answer? Quite probably, it becomes the star in the background of the first scene of the movie!

In the order of what went down 'the hole' , it was the nova's gas, then Nero, then Spock. Also in order of who reappeared in the timeline that we see, Nero came first ( regrettably) ,then Spock. So it stands to reason that all that hot gas went somewhere too before anything else happened,probably in the distant enough past to coalesce into the star we see in the background of the initial shoot-out.

 

[6079SmithW]

Yeah, it would have had to been placed millions of years in the past to have coalesced into a star by the time of Kelvin vs Narada. Now we can finally explain why the Kelvin was in the prime universe: It wasn't! The star forming changed the timeline millions of years ago. The Kelvin is so big because the star's radiation caused humans to evolve to be much bigger in the altered universe, thereby necessitating huge ships to carry enormous people. It all makes sense now!

 

[KHAAAN!]

Mind blown.
What I don't get is why a federation starship was doing in Klingon space, since the Narada was attacked by a Klingon armada and captured shortly after being disabled by the USS Kelvin collision.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

it begs a question of where all the hot, superheated plasma materialized at.

Baby Robau used it as a night light.

 

[Aragorn]

Bah! Robau needs no such night light! The night needs a Robau light!

 

[Phily B]

Well if Spock went into the black hole seconds after Nero, and a few seconds = 20 years we can assume that lots of heated plasma was shot out and slowly dispersed a million years ago.

Who knows, or cares.

 

[KHAAAN!]

Any chance we can chalk this up to Q messing with Picard to teach him some esoteric lesson?

 

[6079SmithW]

Mind blown.
What I don't get is why a federation starship was doing in Klingon space, since the Narada was attacked by a Klingon armada and captured shortly after being disabled by the USS Kelvin collision.

Actually, in the chatter a crewman asks "Could this be Klingon?" and the reply, 'Negative, Lieutenant. You're 75,000 kilometers away from klingon space." So they were not in klingon space. I doubt the klingons cared about violating the border so they could get their hands on the Narada.

The radiation is what caused Robau to become such a badass in the first place. It transformed Richard Robau into the badass captain we know and love.

 

[Spocktapus]

^
To be sure, 75,000 km is nothing in space. 1 light year is about 9,460,000,000,000 km. If that number is correct, they were essentially on the border.

 

[KHAAAN!]

Mind blown.
What I don't get is why a federation starship was doing in Klingon space, since the Narada was attacked by a Klingon armada and captured shortly after being disabled by the USS Kelvin collision.

Actually, in the chatter a crewman asks "Could this be Klingon?" and the reply, 'Negative, Lieutenant. You're 75,000 kilometers away from klingon space." So they were not in klingon space. I doubt the klingons cared about violating the border so they could get their hands on the Narada.

The radiation is what caused Robau to become such a badass in the first place. It transformed Richard Robau into the badass captain we know and love.

That actually brings up a fair point. Why would they assume its not klingon based simply on the fact that it wasn't in klingon space? Seems like circular logic to me.

 

[6079SmithW]

^
To be sure, 75,000 km is nothing in space. 1 light year is about 9,460,000,000,000 km. If that number is correct, they were essentially on the border.

I doubt many people who watched this movie know just how vast space distances are and how insignificant that number is in space. It was probably put in because it sounds "really big" just like the 800 figure on Kelvin crew complement, without regards to practicality or logic.

 

[KHAAAN!]

Probably another reason that all of the ships are so big in comparison to TOS prime.

 

[Nerys Myk]

From my limited understanding of physics the Hobus Star didn't go down the black hole, it became the black hole.

 

[JarodRussell]

Mind blown.
What I don't get is why a federation starship was doing in Klingon space, since the Narada was attacked by a Klingon armada and captured shortly after being disabled by the USS Kelvin collision.

Actually, in the chatter a crewman asks "Could this be Klingon?" and the reply, 'Negative, Lieutenant. You're 75,000 kilometers away from klingon space." So they were not in klingon space. I doubt the klingons cared about violating the border so they could get their hands on the Narada.

The radiation is what caused Robau to become such a badass in the first place. It transformed Richard Robau into the badass captain we know and love.

That actually brings up a fair point. Why would they assume its not klingon based simply on the fact that it wasn't in klingon space? Seems like circular logic to me.

Wasn't 75,000 kilometres about 1 or only 0.5 seconds at full impulse?

 

[urbandk]

I try not to think about all the bizarre bad science surrounding the "supernova that threatened the galaxy"

 

[Sector 7]

To paraphrase Janeway, "Technobabble gives me a headache."

 

[Myasishchev]

Mind blown.
What I don't get is why a federation starship was doing in Klingon space, since the Narada was attacked by a Klingon armada and captured shortly after being disabled by the USS Kelvin collision.

I watched those deleted scenes the other day and the Nero ones made no sense. There's no indication of how, after 25 years, he's supposed to have gotten the Narada back. I mean, are we supposed to assume the Klingons just parked it in orbit around Rura Penthe?

So I just assume they didn't happen, which is what Abrams apparently did as well.

Wasn't 75,000 kilometres about 1 or only 0.5 seconds at full impulse?

I don't think impulse is remotely that fast (even though they probably said it was at some point), but in the grand scheme of things, 75,000km does remain ridiculously close in space. I.e., about one-fifth the distance between the Earth and the moon. I'm reminded of a TNG episode where they're 5000km away from the Cardassian border. As close as that, and it's probably a constructive border violation already. It's like a Soviet ballistic missile submarine sitting an inch away from entering American territorial waters.

Actually, it's weirder than that--at 75,000km, the border must go through whatever solar system they're in. It might actually go right through that star. Any planets are going to spend a good deal of time on the other side of the line. Who's the genius who drew this map so as to create such an obvious point of contention, or otherwise deny the resources of this system to both sides?

Maybe they said 75,000 AU.

 

[Silversmok3]

Mind blown.
What I don't get is why a federation starship was doing in Klingon space, since the Narada was attacked by a Klingon armada and captured shortly after being disabled by the USS Kelvin collision.

I watched those deleted scenes the other day and the Nero ones made no sense. There's no indication of how, after 25 years, he's supposed to have gotten the Narada back. I mean, are we supposed to assume the Klingons just parked it in orbit around Rura Penthe?

So I just assume they didn't happen, which is what Abrams apparently did as well.

Wasn't 75,000 kilometres about 1 or only 0.5 seconds at full impulse?

I don't think impulse is remotely that fast (even though they probably said it was at some point), but in the grand scheme of things, 75,000km does remain ridiculously close in space. I.e., about one-fifth the distance between the Earth and the moon. I'm reminded of a TNG episode where they're 5000km away from the Cardassian border. As close as that, and it's probably a constructive border violation already. It's like a Soviet ballistic missile submarine sitting an inch away from entering American territorial waters.

Actually, it's weirder than that--at 75,000km, the border must go through whatever solar system they're in. It might actually go right through that star. Any planets are going to spend a good deal of time on the other side of the line. Who's the genius who drew this map so as to create such an obvious point of contention, or otherwise deny the resources of this system to both sides?

Maybe they said 75,000 AU.

Nope, "75,000 kilometers from Klingon Space"

Which means the Kelvin was already violating treaty ,since they were 75,000 KM from Klingon space...NOT 75,000 KM from the neutral zone.Thus they were already IN the neutral zone to be that close.

And as far as I know, going into the Neutral zone is a big no-no.As in a career ending no-no, but it seems like from the radio chatter Starfleet sanctioned the incursion....hmm.

 

[6079SmithW]

With regards to impulse, somewhere it is stated that maximum impulse is 0.25 C. A quarter of the speed of light.

 

[Red Ranger]

I thought it was the Hoe-Bus. -- RR