GUARDIANS of the GALAXY - Grading & Discussion

[Nerys Myk]

I don't think people tan in attempt to stop being "white". Tan still means healthy and fit to a lot of people.

 

[Mudd]

Agreed. I enjoy a lot of automatic privileges simply because I'm a white guy. Why would I give that up?

 

[Professor Zoom]

Agreed. I enjoy a lot of automatic privileges simply because I'm a white guy. Why would I give that up?

Whitey has had a good run.

 

[Kelthaz]

So, is there any way for people on this BBS to just enjoy an entertaining movie without trying to fix it?

We do that while watching the film. Afterwards we come here to analyze the film and discuss its finer details.

 

[Mister Fandango]

It's amazing how racists really have no clue that they are, in fact, racists.

Pro tip: Advocating diversity ≠ racism.

It does when you constantly groan about white actors playing white characters simply for the sake of it.

Advocating more superheroes of other ethnicities would be fine. Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

 

[urbandefault]

So, is there any way for people on this BBS to just enjoy an entertaining movie without trying to fix it?

And by "fix it," I mean "fix it 'til it's broke."

Trying to overlay an agenda on everything, even for something as good-intentioned as "diversity," just sucks all the life out of it and makes it not fun anymore. Not to mention causing endless arguments in online communities, causing some participants to inflict upon us their practicing for the next Debate Club meeting.

People have flaws. Some people's flaws include not being Other-Than-White. It's not their fault. I'm sure a lot of white people would be something else if they had a choice. Hell, just look at the money spent in tanning salons. Or Vanilla Ice.

In the meantime, I'd just like to enjoy a movie that has some humor and heart.

I don't think people tan in attempt to stop being "white". Tan still means healthy and fit to a lot of people.

Sorry, I forgot to include the "tongue-in-cheek" disclaimer for that paragraph. It won't happen again.

 

[BigJake]

Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

People have flaws. Some people's flaws include not being Other-Than-White. It's not their fault.

Yeah, because after all white actors are just starving for roles and have a history of being discriminated against in Hollywood -- oh no, wait, they don't. False equivalency is false, and self-pitying sophistry is boring.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's amazing how racists really have no clue that they are, in fact, racists.

Pro tip: Advocating diversity ≠ racism.

It does when you constantly groan about white actors playing white characters simply for the sake of it.

Advocating more superheroes of other ethnicities would be fine. Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

Who's groaning and who's "forcing" or even forcing people to do anything?

 

[BigJake]

Pro tip: Advocating diversity ≠ racism.

It does when you constantly groan about white actors playing white characters simply for the sake of it.

Advocating more superheroes of other ethnicities would be fine. Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

Who's groaning and who's "forcing" or even forcing people to do anything?

I think the way that works is that in providing any sort of market or audience that genuinely doesn't care what race or gender the superheroes are, you might motivate the studios to make content that reflects that, thereby "forcing" Mister Fandago to have to live in a fallen world where non-white actors can get work that isn't playing stereotypes, sidekicks or gang members.

I mean, imagine the horror the poor man must have gone through when Sam Jackson was cast as Nick Fury. Do you really want to be responsible for that kind of suffering again?

 

[urbandefault]

Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

People have flaws. Some people's flaws include not being Other-Than-White. It's not their fault.

Yeah, because after all white actors are just starving for roles and have a history of being discriminated against in Hollywood -- oh no, wait, they don't. False equivalency is false, and self-pitying sophistry is boring.

Ok, fine. Fire all the white actors and make them dig ditches. I don't care. I really don't.

I just want to watch an entertaining movie without a bunch of chip-on-their-shoulder people telling me why I can't enjoy it.

But if you should ever be hired as my boss I'd like a couple of weeks' notice so I can pull up a family tree. Yanno, so I don't get fired for looking like a white guy.

Trying to be reasonable is damned exhausting.

 

[Gaith]

I for one like that Starlord and Tony Stark aren't being played by women.

Uh, why?

Gender or race aren't really central to these characters so they could easily be changed without hurting the integrity of the stories. These characters are about their superpowers and often about their emotional trauma.

Changing their race or gender wouldn't really make a difference in any negative way but it would be more inclusive while at the same time being less boring and repetitive. Win/win situation, really. Especially if the want to play the whole reboot-game, too to sell the same product over and over.

Well, given the family history, I do think it's a no-brainer that Howard and Tony Stark should be white men. You don't become one of the government's largest contractors in WW2-era America if you're not.

That said, from the evidence given in the movie, Star-Lord could have been pretty much anyone, from any country.

So, y'know, balance and context and all that.

 

[BigJake]

Ok, fine. Fire all the white actors and make them dig ditches . . . if you should ever be hired as my boss I'd like a couple of weeks' notice so I can pull up a family tree. Yanno, so I don't get fired for looking like a white guy. . .

Well, you sure showed me about the self-pitying sophistry. Nice work.

You know, if it freaks you out and makes you throw tantrums to be in an environment where you have to read about other people's thoughts and stuff... maybe the Internet isn't for you? I don't know what to tell you, man.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It does when you constantly groan about white actors playing white characters simply for the sake of it.

Advocating more superheroes of other ethnicities would be fine. Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

Who's groaning and who's "forcing" or even forcing people to do anything?

I think the way that works is that in providing any sort of market or audience that genuinely doesn't care what race or gender the superheroes are, you might motivate the studios to make content that reflects that, thereby "forcing" Mister Fandago to have to live in a fallen world where non-white actors can get work that isn't playing stereotypes, sidekicks or gang members.

I mean, imagine the horror the poor man must have gone through when Sam Jackson was cast as Nick Fury. Do you really want to be responsible for that kind of suffering again?

Would it be wrong for me to say yes?

Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

People have flaws. Some people's flaws include not being Other-Than-White. It's not their fault.

Yeah, because after all white actors are just starving for roles and have a history of being discriminated against in Hollywood -- oh no, wait, they don't. False equivalency is false, and self-pitying sophistry is boring.

Ok, fine. Fire all the white actors and make them dig ditches. I don't care. I really don't.

I just want to watch an entertaining movie without a bunch of chip-on-their-shoulder people telling me why I can't enjoy it.

But if you should ever be hired as my boss I'd like a couple of weeks' notice so I can pull up a family tree. Yanno, so I don't get fired for looking like a white guy.

Trying to be reasonable is damned exhausting.

Yes the post you made is totally reasonable and succinctly captures what Big Jake wishes to happen to those poor white folk.

 

[Manticore]

Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

People have flaws. Some people's flaws include not being Other-Than-White. It's not their fault.

Yeah, because after all white actors are just starving for roles and have a history of being discriminated against in Hollywood -- oh no, wait, they don't. False equivalency is false, and self-pitying sophistry is boring.

Ok, fine. Fire all the white actors and make them dig ditches. I don't care. I really don't.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

It's amazing how racists really have no clue that they are, in fact, racists.

Pro tip: Advocating diversity ≠ racism.

It does when you constantly groan about white actors playing white characters simply for the sake of it.

Advocating more superheroes of other ethnicities would be fine. Trying to "force" people to change character's around simply for the sake of changing them around is pathetic and disgusting.

Incorrect.

Advocating diversity is noble and praiseworthy. Particularly given the vehement, irrational, and hysterical statements such advocacy tends to elicit.

 

[BigJake]

Yes the post you made is totally reasonable and succinctly captures what Big Jake wishes to happen to those poor white folk.

I've been found out, haven't I?

Well, not to worry. The other agents of Operation: Iron Fist of Obama will carry on where I leave off.

 

[urbandefault]

Ok, fine. Fire all the white actors and make them dig ditches . . . if you should ever be hired as my boss I'd like a couple of weeks' notice so I can pull up a family tree. Yanno, so I don't get fired for looking like a white guy. . .

Well, you sure showed me about the self-pitying sophistry. Nice work.

You know, if it freaks you out and makes you throw tantrums to be in an environment where you have to read about other people's thoughts and stuff... maybe the Internet isn't for you? I don't know what to tell you, man.

Way to miss a point. Good job.

"I don't care. I really don't."

Nice try, though.

 

[sojourner]

I think we're all missing the point of whatever you're trying to say. It seems to be "I'm white and tired of hearing about people that aren't".

 

[urbandefault]

I think we're all missing the point of whatever you're trying to say. It seems to be "I'm white and tired of hearing about people that aren't".

That's not unusual around these parts. The "missing the point" thing, I mean.

I'm really tired of repeating that I just want to enjoy a movie without a bunch of people telling me it's racist because the green chick wasn't played by a black chick.

Whoops.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think we're all missing the point of whatever you're trying to say. It seems to be "I'm white and tired of hearing about people that aren't".

That's not unusual around these parts. The "missing the point" thing, I mean.

I'm really tired of repeating that I just want to enjoy a movie without a bunch of people telling me it's racist because the green chick wasn't played by a black chick.

Whoops.

Did someone tell you that?