I actually agree with you on this. I did like Titans for what it was but it certainly wasn't any version of the Titans or DC heroes I've seen before.
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What I don't understand is why is that a problem with some people? It's just another new take on material that's already had many, many new takes.
I don't understand the desire to granularize it like this. They used actual footage from the Constantine pilot in a Legends episode, brought back the original Astra actress for voice work in another. Isn't that enough to confirm the producers' intentions? I've explained why they probably can't be explicit about drawing on the non-comics-based elements from the NBC show, but clearly they're trying to be consistent with the show as much as they can within those limits. So there's no reason to believe they'd suddenly do the opposite and start ignoring/contradicting the show.
I mean, the very absence of Chas from Legends is evidence that they don't intend to do that. After all, Chas Chandler in the comics is Constantine's sidekick and closest friend. If they'd intended to contradict the NBC show, then they probably would've introduced a new, more comics-faithful version of Chas (as was done in the animated Constantine: City of Demons, which is reportedly in continuity with the DC Universe Animated Original Movies line). Instead, they've avoided the character, which is evidence in itself that they don't intend to contradict the NBC version even if they can't reference it freely.
Like Turtletrekker said, why is that a problem? Hardly any onscreen versions of the Titans have been like the comics -- probably just the few cartoon shorts Filmation did in the '60s and the recent DCUAOM films come closest. The best-known screen versions are the 2003 animated series and Teen Titans Go!, both of which are radically, hugely different from the comics' Titans, and quite distinct from each other. The fact that each adaptation is different it what makes them worth doing.
I don't really get it either. I can see people expressing disappointment that they didn't get a version closer to the Wolfman Perez version, or people not liking this version of Titans, but outright condemnation is a little much. I also enjoy Titans Go! for what it is--and it sometimes does a brilliant job in satirizing comics and versions of comics--but I can see why people wouldn't like it.
I agree with you on this; I was just responding to the previous poster's argument, which I don't understand.
How can you agree with Christopher's comment but not understand mine?
We're citing the same thing(s) as evidence for our positions, which would be identical if it weren't for the fact that we differ slightly on whether or not the NBC Constantine series is a "core" part of the Arrowverse franchise (he sees the connections as looser than I do).
I don't mean to offend, but I honestly think you are picking nits on this (understanding I am saying that on a Star Trek board). Your argument about whether the NBC series is core doesn't really matter until we get more evidence either way.
Because being a new take doesn't make it good? The Teen Titans cartoon (the 2003 one) was a new take on the property, portraying the Teen titans with an anime inspired aesthetic that was nothing like the comics or the Teen titans shorts from a few decades before, and it was great. Sometimes new takes are good, and sometimes they're bad. Making the Teen Titans into a shitty edgelord team of vigilantes straight out of early 90s "Xtreme" comics was a bad take, in my opinion.
It can also be argued that some things involved with the show really only had one "take" (like the concept of the Hawk and the Dove, which is a simple, easy to understand concept that is destroyed when the Dove is mutilating people), but even getting past the complete incompetence of fucking up a concept that is much older then those two comic characters, I just have no tolerance for super violent, edgy takes on superheroes who were never supposed to be that way. Its like suffering through a live action version of a Rob Liefeld comic, except even Rob Liefeld understood that Dove needed to be nonviolent (and when you fail at something even Liefeld has been shown to understand, you're in trouble).
No offense, but your definition of what's "good" often differs so wildly from mine (and just about everybody else's) that all I can muster here is a
.Your opinion is entirely subjective and largely fringe and gatekeepy. Most of the posters here and my real world friends who have seen it find it entertaining enough. Given the track record of all involved, I'd call it a largely successful and well- received adaptation.
Sounds pretty cool. But we gave seen it before. Lots of superhero stuff out there now. Probably too much. Lol
I've been working my way through for the last two or three months, and I've been really enjoying it so far. I've found that, like usual, Kirk55555 is massively exaggerating the level of violence. Yeah, it is more graphic than the CW shows, but nowhere near the level of what he's make it sound like.No offense, but your definition of what's "good" often differs so wildly from mine (and just about everybody else's) that all I can muster here is a
Your opinion is entirely subjective and largely fringe and gatekeepy. Most of the posters here and my real world friends who have seen it find it entertaining enough. Given the track record of all involved, I'd call it a largely successful and well- received adaptation.
Why is the automatic assumption about this show that it's going to be Earth-centered and focused on the human GLs?
Well, after watching Jack Ryan, bit tired and annoyed at them amking a series and instead of using X character from a comic or a book, they changed the character to where you can name him Bob Smith and be the same character in the movie. Like Khan in Into Darkness. almost Zero to do with Khan, you could have named him Steve and have been the same character..
Jack Ryan is named jack ryan.. but he doesn't do anything the same as in the books.. Could name him Todd and do the same things..
Jack Ryan is named jack ryan.. but he doesn't do anything the same as in the books.. Could name him Todd and do the same things..
Because it isn't animated, and not touted as the flagship for a service that will rake in millions a month?
It'll be super expensive to NOT be those 2 things you mentioned
^ The Green Lantern property is so much more than just the Lanterns of Sector 2814, and a TV version of the property doesn't have to be limited to those characters.
True but Hal is the only interesting one.
Maybe Kyle as well, but only after Hal goes mad and kills them all.
Hal is my favorite GL but he's really among the least interesting of the Earth-based Lanterns. He's very much Old DC, a character without real foibles, idiosyncracies or motivations. Johns recognized this and retconned a backstory involving his father to try to flesh him out; that works well enough in prose, I suppose, but backstory really is the weakest kind of characterization in drama.
To you.
There are so many options for a GL TV show that automatically assuming that we're only getting something focused on one or more of the human GLs is, IMO, shortsighted and premature.
