Green Arrow (CW)

[Guy Gardener]

Queen.

If the show was called simply "Queen", that would open up a lot of floodgates to the tourists, from Royalist, Feddie Mercury fans to every other gay man on the planet, and maybe just maybe they'd accidentally find themselves liking the show, before they understood that it was completely not what they thought that they had signed on to.

 

[Professor Zoom]

So I watched the pilot at CW.com last night and mostly enjoyed it. I came in blind, not having seen any previews or online spoilers, or even having had entered this thread before seeing it, which was refreshing. I'll be back for more.

That was my experience as well. I was shocked to see a CW show that I liked.

 

[Takeru]

That was my experience as well. I was shocked to see a CW show that I liked.

Have you seen Nikita? It's awesome, great characters and great action.

The Vampire Diaries is good too, pretty gory for a network show but maybe a little bit too soapy for some, but it definitely isn't Twilight. Only the first few episodes aren't that great, after that he show kicks ass.

Supernatural is still watchable but no longer must see tv, it's still decent though.

The CW has quite a lot of good shows, it's not all Gossip Girl and Top Model.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Spoiler: On Gossip Girl this evening....

Dan was sleeping in bed, he wakes startled to see little Dawny from Buffy the vampire slayer staring at him like a cat playing with wounded mouse, there noses about an inch apart from each other. In a very calm and controlled voice he says...

"I thought we agreed that you would stop watching me while I slept?"

Dawny replies... "I lied. besides, I'm letting you stay here rent free, there has to be something in it for me."

For everything wrong with Gossip Girl, like it's inability to deliver a satisfyingly bloody punchline to any given plot they've been snowballing for half a season, they do make some FABULOUS oneliners.

 

[Sindatur]

That was my experience as well. I was shocked to see a CW show that I liked.

Have you seen Nikita? It's awesome, great characters and great action.

The Vampire Diaries is good too, pretty gory for a network show but maybe a little bit too soapy for some, but it definitely isn't Twilight. Only the first few episodes aren't that great, after that he show kicks ass.

Supernatural is still watchable but no longer must see tv, it's still decent though.

The CW has quite a lot of good shows, it's not all Gossip Girl and Top Model.

I enjoyed Vampire Diaries up through the first half of last Season and was excited waiting for the second half to begin, but, the second half of last Season made me lose my interest, it just started feeling flat.

I'm looking forward to watching Arrow, gonna be recording it to disk, so, I'll be watching it in 3 episode chunks (The first 3 episodes will likely decide if I want to continue with it, but, it sounds like it's hitting all the right notes so, I don't think that'll be an issue)

 

[Professor Zoom]

That was my experience as well. I was shocked to see a CW show that I liked.

Have you seen Nikita? It's awesome, great characters and great action.

Watched the pilot... thought it was OK. Didn't really care for the teen leads. The ones in the school or whatever it was. But, I did like the twist at the end. For some reason, I just didn't keep recording it, and I didn't miss it.

The Vampire Diaries is good too, pretty gory for a network show but maybe a little bit too soapy for some, but it definitely isn't Twilight. Only the first few episodes aren't that great, after that he show kicks ass.

I don't watch shows that has Diary in the title. It's just to... teenagery for me. And I'm not that much into vampires. At least CW vampires.

Supernatural is still watchable but no longer must see tv, it's still decent though.

I might go back and watch Supernatural from the beginning.

The CW has quite a lot of good shows, it's not all Gossip Girl and Top Model.

I used to like Top Model, actually. In the beginning it was somewhat interesting, now, it's parody.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

That was my experience as well. I was shocked to see a CW show that I liked.

Have you seen Nikita? It's awesome, great characters and great action.

Yeah, Nikita's a great show. I like how they're always shaking up the staus quo. The original staus quo didn't last all that long. And after what happened at the end of season 2 season three is a pretty good place for new viewers to jump on the Nikita train.

 

[Takeru]

Watched the pilot... thought it was OK. Didn't really care for the teen leads. The ones in the school or whatever it was. But, I did like the twist at the end. For some reason, I just didn't keep recording it, and I didn't miss it.

If you have time you might want to give it another chance, you already liked the pilot and the "teenage school" thing doesn't last long. Maggie Q kicks ass, it's like a mini action movie every week and like Enterprise is Great said, they're shaking up the status quo frequently, instead of seeing that something works and coasting on that for a few seasons the writer's on Nikita take the "This can't go on forever so lets change things up" approach and it's great, it makes the show truly unpredictable. At the end of season 2 it was almost a completely different show compared to the pilot.

I don't watch shows that has Diary in the title. It's just to... teenagery for me. And I'm not that much into vampires. At least CW vampires.

Thankfully the diary angle was dropped very fast, after a few episodes it's really just a title, the show really had diary voice overs at the start.
It is a little bit teenagery but like Nikita this show isn't afraid of change, they kill characters (even popular ones) left and right. Why? Because it's a show about vampires and other monsters, they're not beating around the bush.
I actually like the CW Vampire's best out of the current batch.

I really like the CW, they get so much shit but they have some really good shows.

And after what happened at the end of season 2 season three is a pretty good place for new viewers to jump on the Nikita train.

I'd recommend catching up with seasons one and two before watching season three, without those seasons it will be hard to appreciate what the show is now.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Watched the pilot... thought it was OK. Didn't really care for the teen leads. The ones in the school or whatever it was. But, I did like the twist at the end. For some reason, I just didn't keep recording it, and I didn't miss it.

If you have time you might want to give it another chance, you already liked the pilot and the "teenage school" thing doesn't last long. Maggie Q kicks ass, it's like a mini action movie every week and like Enterprise is Great said, they're shaking up the status quo frequently, instead of seeing that something works and coasting on that for a few seasons the writer's on Nikita take the "This can't go on forever so lets change things up" approach and it's great, it makes the show truly unpredictable. At the end of season 2 it was almost a completely different show compared to the pilot.

I'll see if its streaming on Netflix.

 

[A beaker full of death]

You know, I've seen more commercials now for Arrow, and it seems to me they missed a major opportunity. Aside from the characterization not being accurate, Green Arrow only really came into his own when Denny O'Neil used him for social commentary (appropriate, really, for a character inspired by Robin Hood). Instead this looks like a generic teen revenge thing with arrows. They could have used this series to actually say something.

 

[Professor Zoom]

You know, I've seen more commercials now for Arrow, and it seems to me they missed a major opportunity. Aside from the characterization not being accurate, Green Arrow only really came into his own when Denny O'Neil used him for social commentary (appropriate, really, for a character inspired by Robin Hood). Instead this looks like a generic teen revenge thing with arrows. They could have used this series to actually say something.

Then you should watch the show. Because Ollie in the show... he's taking down the corporate bad guys who ruined the city.

AND, there was a great Robin Hood moment...

 

[A beaker full of death]

^ Quite right, I shall give it a viewing. Was just going by the promos.

 

[Professor Zoom]

^ Quite right, I shall give it a viewing. Was just going by the promos.

Yeah, I was totally turned off by the billboards all over LA for it. And, yeah, the fact that it was on the CW... the network that brought us Smallville, so I wasn't... but then, for some reason I decided to record it.

It was good... it does have some DNA of Nolan's Batman, but, I don't think that's a bad thing.

 

[JD]

I really like the CW, they get so much shit but they have some really good shows.

Agreed. I absolutely love TVD, Supernatural, and Nikita.

 

[Takeru]

Agreed. I absolutely love TVD, Supernatural, and Nikita.

Don't forget Arrow, I already love it after the pilot. Of course there's still the chance it will crash and burn but so far it looks like it might be another great CW show.

Do you guys think the mom is a bad guy or a good guy who goes to extremes? Right now she looks bad but it could go either way and her being bad seems a little bit too obvious.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Borg Queen?

That sort of evil doesn't wash off the soul easily.

(Voyager's Borg Queen silly.)

And did you see her as the Queen on Kings?

She eats her own children!

I think the actress is draw to certain regal rolls.

 

[Takeru]

The Borg Queen wasn't evil, just misunderstood.

I didn't see Kings, I wanted to but then it was cancelled and I never bothered. Is it good and does she literally eat her children? Sounds like fun.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She has sex with her nephew played by McCauly Culkin years before the show started.

He arrives back in town as an emotionally scarred little bastard who is thinks that maybe it's a bad thing that she ruined his childhood, even if he REALLY liked it at the time.

the anticipation of waiting McCaully to detonate is nail biting.

Kings has a strong pilot, wanders a bit, then the king starts getting jealous, and finally in the last couple episodes GOD turns up and you begin to wonder if the bible is literal like they insist it is, or that the King is just batshit because his fantasy has substance.

The princess is pretty, but she st6ill, even today looks like she is seven years old, in her role on the new sitcom Go On.

Sorry about the eating her children misdirect, it was an allusion to Medea.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Do you guys think the mom is a bad guy or a good guy who goes to extremes? Right now she looks bad but it could go either way and her being bad seems a little bit too obvious.

Kind of hard to apply the "good guy" label to someone who hires a group of mercenaries who kill indiscriminately to kidnap and torture her own traumatized son, and then try and kill him too when he escapes. Whatever her motives may be, she's pretty clearly a nogoodnik.

 

[Icemizer]

^ I think both of the Queen parents were nogoodniks and the father had a change of heart. He was going to spill everything to Oliver on the trip but nature stepped in and Mom is still worried that he knows all the deep dark secrets.