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Greater Than The Sum (spoliers)

I'm objecting to it making the series seem smaller when it should be expanding it. The books aren't constrained like you are on TV. You don't have to tell the story in 44 minutes.

There are already complaints that the addition of NF, Challenger, Titan, Vanguard, Myriad Universes, Mirror Universe, the ST Online novelization, etc, have already expanded the ST universe beyond what some people can cope with.

It's like Sarjenka, a wonderful character who had a great little ending to the story we saw her in.
The author - and many fans - had often pondered "Whatever happened to Sarjenka?", but without the canon characters, Sarjenka and a book of total strangers are not going to sell. There simply aren't enough Sarjenka fans to support a solo Sarjenka story.
 
The novels box themselves in when they keep going back to having the same groups of characters interacting. Starfleet should have hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in it.

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But ST fans are buying ST fiction to read ST stories about their favourite ST characters.

If you want books about people you've never known about before, and who will not be permitted to meet again beyond one adventure, then you need to give up on licensed tie-ins.

I'm objecting to it making the series seem smaller when it should be expanding it. The books aren't constrained like you are on TV. You don't have to tell the story in 44 minutes.

There are already complaints that the addition of NF, Challenger, Titan, Vanguard, Myriad Universes, Mirror Universe, the ST Online novelization, etc, have already expanded the ST universe beyond what some people can cope with.

It's like Sarjenka, a wonderful character who had a great little ending to the story we saw her in.
The author - and many fans - had often pondered "Whatever happened to Sarjenka?", but without the canon characters, Sarjenka and a book of total strangers are not going to sell. There simply aren't enough Sarjenka fans to support a solo Sarjenka story.

Just out of curiosity, do you know how to use multi quote or even edit, the above two posts I'm quoting were made three minutes apart!
 
I'm not saying have no Trek characters. :rolleyes:

I'm not even saying not having a recurring character, when needed. Admiral Ross or the Bajoran kai come to mind from DS9. I'm saying don't have the main characters from the different series meet up so often. With a huge Starfleet, not to mention the various members of the Federation, they simply shouldn't be running into the other familiar crews as often as they do.

I understand that you like having the obscure and background characters show up all over the place. To me, it makes the galaxy seem small. An apperance by ONE member of another hero crew should be a rare event.
 
Just out of curiosity, do you know how to use multi quote or even edit, the above two posts I'm quoting were made three minutes apart!

Mmmmm. The time comes from when the post was started, not when it was actually posted, doesn't it?

I hate multi-quote - it often totally befuddles my computer and I've had to reboot. I did the first post as normal, then found another post I wished to comment upon. I intended to copy and paste the new post as an edited appendix to the other one. Then I got called away from the computer by the sick dog, totally forgot I was planning to cut and paste - finished the post, and hit "Submit reply". Then I saw my error. When the posts turned up separated by a page anyway, I didn't bother trying to undo the second post.

As for editing, of course I know how to edit. Many, many of my posts give a "Reason for Editing".

Sometimes real life interrupts a morning of TrekBBS posting.

I'm not saying have no Trek characters. :rolleyes:

It really does seem that that's what would happen if there was a any type of ban on Small Universe Syndrome. The books are not allowed to move too far beyond recognizable ST to still remain a licensed tie-in. "New Frontier", "Challenger", "Vanguard" and "Titan" have been groundbreaking book series but, even then, crossover characters were encouraged.

I'm not even saying not having a recurring character, when needed. Admiral Ross or the Bajoran kai come to mind from DS9. I'm saying don't have the main characters from the different series meet up so often.
But then you'll say, "Why is it always Admiral Ross?" Indeed, reactions by readers to "Vanguard" tended to be "Why is it always Admiral Nogura?", and yet we know very little about him anyway, so why not explore him for a few instalments instead of someone totally original.

And the example you gave earlier was Sarjenka, not even a recurring canonical character. If she can't return and work with a few familiar faces, when can she return? A standalone Sarjenka novel is never gonna happen.

It is a fact that a big name ST character meeting another big name ST character sells many more books, so this is what most of the ST readers want, and this is what Pocket is trying to give, as much as possible.

With a huge Starfleet, not to mention the various members of the Federation, they simply shouldn't be running into the other familiar crews as often as they do.
And TOS stories should have ended as soon as the five year mission's calendar filled up. But people still want to read new TOS stories.

I understand that you like having the obscure and background characters show up all over the place. To me, it makes the galaxy seem small. An apperance by ONE member of another hero crew should be a rare event.
Then please understand that what you are asking for takes away from most of the rest of us what we love about licensed ST novels. I guess it seems that you are asking for our fun to be diminished for the sake of your personal inability to maintain your suspension of disbelief.

Were you around in 1989, when Richard Arnold, in GR's name, was insisting that all new, fun, original continuing characters had to be dropped from the DC comics after their single story arc had concluded? That was so frustrating to meet new characters and then see them ordered right off the page.

You're asking that the books reflect real life, but the universe is so big that no one would ever reunite with anyone. (In fact, when the characters are in a starship, traveling at warp speed, shouldn't people on planets have died of old age by the time the ship returns? If we live with that unbelievability, why not popular but disparate characters working together?)
 
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I'm asking for no such thing. I'm asking that the crossovers and obscure characters be dealt with a little more judiciously.

It seems you can't open a door or visit some far off planet without running into someone you know.

Ross worked on DS9 because he was stationed nearby and was Sisko's senior office. Akaar has been showing up all over the place, even chasing down Picard in LTP even though
he's now the CinC.

I guess Akaar, Jellico and Nechayev really do run the whole of the fleet themselves.
 
It really does seem that that's what would happen if there was a any type of ban on Small Universe Syndrome. The books are not allowed to move too far beyond recognizable ST to still remain a licensed tie-in. "New Frontier", "Challenger", "Vanguard" and "Titan" have been groundbreaking book series but, even then, crossover characters were encouraged.

Then please understand that what you are asking for takes away from most of the rest of us what we love about licensed ST novels. I guess it seems that you are asking for our fun to be diminished for the sake of your personal inability to maintain your suspension of disbelief.

Were you around in 1989, when Richard Arnold, in GR's name, was insisting that all new, fun, original continuing characters had to be dropped from the DC comics after their single story arc had concluded? That was so frustrating to meet new characters and then see them ordered right off the page.

Yup, you got me. That's exactly what I'm trying to do. Eliminate all recurring, continuing, one shot, canon & non-canon characters. And the whole point of my nefarious plan? Why it's to rob you of the pleasure of reading Star Trek <bwah-ha-ha-ha!>. And I wuld have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those darn Andorian kids!

Where have I said I want original characters to be dropped? It appears to me that your viewpoint is closer to his, wanting all characters to have appeared somewhere in live action Trek at some point.

Me, I like new, original characters. I'd like to get to know them better. I don't need interaction between two canon characters to make me like a new character.

Do I need Pulaski to know Kira (Double Helix: Vectors) in order to enjoy a medical mystery? Nope.

Does Tom Riker knowing Chakotay and B'Lanna make the story that much better just because we know them all? Not for me. Same with Picard knowing Tuvok.

New life, new civilizations vs Folks we've met before and those we know really well. I know which I find more interesting.
 
I'm asking for no such thing. I'm asking that the crossovers and obscure characters be dealt with a little more judiciously.

Considering the sheer number of novels that did not cross over with other works published in the past few years, I'm kind of baffled at this. Typhon Pact is really the first "Destiny Universe" novel in a long time.
 
It's not just the crossover series. It's Elias vaughn being present at so many important and historical events. That goes for Dax as well. It's Akaar being the go to Admiral for almost everything that Nechayev doesn't seem to be in command of. It's the fact that, to me, there's just too much of of the crews meeting each other. The 24th century books are all in the same approximate time frame and it seems that things will be crossing over even more. Don't forget that Indistinguishable from magic will be coming out soon.
 
Yeah, I know I can't wait!! I guess I can see what you're saying, but I really like Akaar and I've enjoyed seeing him. But why should the authors have to go through the hassle of having to create a new character, with a new name, background, appearance, and role, when there's already a character who we already know about who can fill the role. Plus, getting to see these characters again means that we can get more development for that character.
 
Akaar worked great in the DS9-R. Drop him onto Starbase 375 and make him a recurring character. No problem with that at all. It's when you need an admiral and it's Akaar or Necheyev time after time. Jellico was off having his character stomped on by Peter David.
 
Just out of curiosity, do you know how to use multi quote or even edit, the above two posts I'm quoting were made three minutes apart!

Mmmmm. The time comes from when the post was started, not when it was actually posted, doesn't it?

I hate multi-quote - it often totally befuddles my computer and I've had to reboot. I did the first post as normal, then found another post I wished to comment upon. I intended to copy and paste the new post as an edited appendix to the other one. Then I got called away from the computer by the sick dog, totally forgot I was planning to cut and paste - finished the post, and hit "Submit reply". Then I saw my error. When the posts turned up separated by a page anyway, I didn't bother trying to undo the second post.

As for editing, of course I know how to edit. Many, many of my posts give a "Reason for Editing".

Sometimes real life interrupts a morning of TrekBBS posting.

From what I can tell, it says what time you post a post, not when you start it. That's how they all stay in order as sometimes I leave my window open, do other things and finish my post.

As for the rest of it, yeah ok, yes I know real life gets in the way when posting on here, it's just yesterday was not the first time you double or even trebble post and I was just curious if you knew how to use multi quote or the edit function.
 

I dunno, it's why I said "I guess". Because I really don't know how his complaints can be resolved.

Probably the same way all differing viewpoints about works of fiction are resolved. If you say you would prefer more Andorians to be in the novels, and I think Andorians are obnoxious,* I'm not going to rebut it with "I guess it seems that you are asking for our fun to be diminished for the sake of your personal inability to read a book without an Andorian in it." Instead, I can say what I don't like about Andorians, and hope that Pocket adopts a variety of approaches that allows for both Andorian and non-Andorian books.

Someone asking for something to be done different is perfectly valid, and I don't see why it has to be construed as a personal attack.


* I don't.
 
even trebble post and I was just curious if you knew how to use multi quote or the edit function.

As I said, I edit all the time and often add the reason even if before the editing deadline. Multi-quote often doesn't work properly on a Mac, especially on my old PowerMac. The option simply isn't offered.

I haven't treble posted for many, many years, and then only when using an antiquated computer that couldn't handle the TrekBBS software! If I have treble posted recently, it would have been by accident - and I would have immediately gone in and removed one post and edited its text into a previous one. Maybe you saw one I was still editing? I've never received a warning from the mods for spamming. Or anything, AFAIK.

It's my understanding that a double post is permitted, and I think it can make sense when the two segments are quite unrelated. One can do two posts in quick succession in a very active thread and those posts will come out ten posts apart. If one does the same thing at a quieter time for the USA, it's very easy to accidentally double post.

From what I can tell, it says what time you post a post, not when you start it.

In that case, I managed to start a new post, then go out into the yard to attend to my sick dog, then make a coffee, and return to the post, all in three minutes. Not too shabby, but plenty distracting, making me forget to cut and paste the second post into the previous post, as I'd originally planned.

I don't see why it has to be construed as a personal attack.

Maybe I'm a self-absorbed fanatic?

I didn't see the comment as a personal attack, but I was offering a possible interpretation of the OP's comments (it's how I felt at the time), just as you construed my comment to be a reaction to a personal attack.

... a variety of approaches...
Which is something I pointed out to the OP in most of my other replies.
 
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