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Greater Than The Sum (spoliers)

Shane Houston

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I just finished reading Greater The Sum and I have to say I'm shocked.

Everyday after a long day at work I like to stop by Quill's, a local coffee shop where I live, a grab a latte and a good book and relax to a good book. So yesterday after work I stopped by a Borders and went looking for something I could lose myself in. I was in the mood for something Trek. But I have almost all of what they have already. I came across Greater Than The Sum and almost skipped it. I absolutley hated Before Dishonor and when GTTS came out I didn't get it because I felt it would be a sequel to BD. So I went straight to the Destiny series. But yesterday I noticed that the author was someone whos worked I've enjoyed in the past. And since there was little other titles available I went ahead and bought it.

I'm glad I did. It was a great story. The charavcters were compelling. I especially enjoyed T'Ryssa Chen. She was original and she was funny while at the same time she was someone I could idnetify with. After T'Lana I felt I was burnt out on characters with a Vulcan heritage. But Chen was a refreshing change of pace. I had a few confused looks at the coffee shop when I laughed out loud at some of her antics. I'm glad that she was made a permanent member of the crew and her relationship with Picard reminded me a lot of his relationship with Ro Laren. It was also great to see Guinan help Picard see the wisdom in keeping Chen on board.

The characters in Before Dishonor seemed to me beyond redemption but in this book I was proven wrong. I hated T'Lana at the end of BD but actually felt pity for her in this tale. I was glad that her actions during the mutiny were explained with more detail.

And the same goes for Zelik Leybenzon. I actually felt pity at his death by the Borg and had chills down my spine at the end when we find that he may have handed over to the Borg the Federation's most effective weapon against them. He questioned Picard's judgement and left the Enterprise because he questioned Picard's ability to defeat the Borg. How ironic it was that if he had stayed under Picard's command he would still be alive.

I loved the science fiction aspect of the book. The Noh Angels and their origins were interesting and well thought out and reminds us that the Enterprise can truly seek out new worlds again. They weren't just a cookie cutter alien of the week and it was great too see that as they learned from the crew of the Enterprise, the crew learned from them as well.

I wish I had read this book before the Destiny series. It was rich and engaging. It was funny and had a certain charm. And it tied up the loose threads from Before Dishonor and makes up for a lot of what I felt was lacking in that book. Enjoyed seeing Gunian and High again and revisting some previous story lines from the series.

The funniest line in the book... Chen's first words to Miranda Kadohata: "Miranda huh? So you're the one they named all those ships after!"

Pleasantly surprised by Greater Than The Sum.
 
I just finished reading Greater The Sum and I have to say I'm shocked.

Everyday after a long day at work I like to stop by Quill's, a local coffee shop where I live, a grab a latte and a good book and relax. So yesterday after work I stopped by a Borders and went looking for something I could lose myself in. I was in the mood for something Trek. But I have almost all of what they have already. I came across Greater Than The Sum and almost skipped it. I absolutley hated Before Dishonor and when GTTS came out I didn't get it because I felt it would be a sequel to BD. So I went straight to the Destiny series. But yesterday I noticed that the author was someone whos worked I've enjoyed in the past. And since there was little other titles available I went ahead and bought it.

I'm glad I did. It was a great story. The charavcters were compelling. I especially enjoyed T'Ryssa Chen. She was original and she was funny while at the same time she was someone I could idnetify with. After T'Lana I felt I was burnt out on characters with a Vulcan heritage. But Chen was a refreshing change of pace. I had a few confused looks at the coffee shop when I laughed out loud at some of her antics. I'm glad that she was made a permanent member of the crew and her relationship with Picard reminded me a lot of his relationship with Ro Laren. It was also great to see Guinan help Picard see the wisdom in keeping Chen on board.

The characters in Before Dishonor seemed to me beyond redemption but in this book I was proven wrong. I hated T'Lana at the end of BD but actually felt pity for her in this tale. I was glad that her actions during the mutiny were explained with more detail.

And the same goes for Zelik Leybenzon. I actually felt pity at his death by the Borg and had chills down my spine at the end when we find that he may have handed over to the Borg the Federation's most effective weapon against them. He questioned Picard's judgement and left the Enterprise because he questioned Picard's ability to defeat the Borg. How ironic it was that if he had stayed under Picard's command he would still be alive.

I loved the science fiction aspect of the book. The Noh Angels and their origins were interesting and well thought out and reminds us that the Enterprise can truly seek out new worlds again. They weren't just a cookie cutter alien of the week and it was great too see that as they learned from the crew of the Enterprise, the crew learned from them as well.

I wish I had read this book before the Destiny series. It was rich and engaging. It was funny and had a certain charm. And it tied up the loose threads from Before Dishonor and makes up for a lot of what I felt was lacking in that book. Enjoyed seeing Gunian and Hugh again and revisting some previous story lines from the series.

The funniest line in the book... Chen's first words to Miranda Kadohata: "Miranda huh? So you're the one they named all those ships after!"

Pleasantly surprised by Greater Than The Sum.
 
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I hated T'Lana at the end of BD but actually felt pity for her in this tale. I was glad that her actions during the mutiny were explained with more detail.

It's really impressive how much character reconstruction was placed into that one speech of T'Lana's. :)

That single short flashback scene almost managed to redeem the character for me, too. I'm another reader who disliked "Before Dishonor's" characterizations (after quite liking the T'Lana character in "Resistance" and "Q and A"), and I was very glad to have a thoughtful epilogue of sorts here. It would have been nice to see it built on further, but that's not this novel's purpose, of course.

The T'Lana speech has to stretch a bit to make sense (which is not the fault of GTTS, it's just the conflict with the style of BD, which was trying for different virtues than "well-thought out character work"), but it really helps bring the character back onto the rails as best as can be. She's still wobbling, but she is at least back on the track. And bonus points for skillfully linking her speech to dialogue in "Q and A", using pre-BD continuity to justify what GTTS is trying to do with her.
 
*nods* I seriously debated dropping trek over how bad 'Before Dishonor' was, but 'Greater' really helped get me back into the books. Good author, good story, good characters.
 
I just finished reading Greater The Sum and I have to say I'm shocked.

:wtf: Eep...


I'm glad I did. It was a great story. The charavcters were compelling.

Whew! Had me worried there. Thanks!


I especially enjoyed T'Ryssa Chen. She was original and she was funny while at the same time she was someone I could idnetify with. After T'Lana I felt I was burnt out on characters with a Vulcan heritage. But Chen was a refreshing change of pace. I had a few confused looks at the coffee shop when I laughed out loud at some of her antics. I'm glad that she was made a permanent member of the crew and her relationship with Picard reminded me a lot of his relationship with Ro Laren.

Glad she worked for you. And yeah, I was going for someone like Ro, a character who'd shake things up a little.


I loved the science fiction aspect of the book. The Noh Angels and their origins were interesting and well thought out and reminds us that the Enterprise can truly seek out new worlds again. They weren't just a cookie cutter alien of the week and it was great too see that as they learned from the crew of the Enterprise, the crew learned from them as well.

Thanks!


The T'Lana speech has to stretch a bit to make sense (which is not the fault of GTTS, it's just the conflict with the style of BD, which was trying for different virtues than "well-thought out character work"), but it really helps bring the character back onto the rails as best as can be. She's still wobbling, but she is at least back on the track. And bonus points for skillfully linking her speech to dialogue in "Q and A", using pre-BD continuity to justify what GTTS is trying to do with her.

Well, the way I approached it was that, since I was doing the next installment in a series, I had to treat the preceding books as a consistent backstory for my book. Which meant I had to figure out how to reconcile the disparate views of the characters presented in the previous books, to take seemingly contradictory characterizations and find some unified theory for them.
 
One of my favorite scenes in the book is when Chen introduces herself to Picard and mentions that she's been known to answer to "Hey, you". In my mind's eye I can see Picard's facial expression, which ranges from confusion to anger to consternation.
 
I enjoyed Greater Than The Sum as well. It did a great job getting the TNG relaunch back on track and setting the stage for Destiny.
 
This isn't really GTTS's fault, but I'm forced to wonder whether there were ever any higher ambitions for Leybenzon or T'Lana than what they became. I should reread the T'Lana flashback apparently, but both characters irritated me a great deal...though I guess Leybenzon got what he had coming to him.
 
Considering the fate of the first batch of replacements in "Resistance," you could make a case that the new Enterprise bridge crew was intended to be a bit of a revolving door to get Picard to have the epiphany he developed in GTtS about not trying to recapture lightning in a bottle.

Given how it happened, though, I think it was just a happy accident. Well, not "happy," exactly...
 
It definitely wasn't planned in advance to be a "revolving door." It's just that sometimes you try things (in this case, characters) and they don't work out as planned. So you try something else.
 
Or a writer comes in and wrecks the characters for everybody else.

Not naming names, of course.

*cough PETER DAVID cough*
 
(shrugs) PD took the characters to extremes that we hadn't yet seen, and that in terms of Starfleet conduct was fairly...unorthodox...but I'm not sure his characterizations were necessarily -that- far off from what we'd seen in the books leading up to BD either.
 
Shhesh, DonIago how dare you rain in on a Peter David bashing already in progress. Don't you know he is the devil who is responsible for everything bad in Trek literature?
 
I thought that was David Mack for Destiny?

(If it has to be said, I'm kidding. First two books are incredible, hoping the third holds up as well!!!)
 
PD may be the devil for writing a bad story for some, but that makes Christopher Bennet and David Mack angels for saving the mess he made in BD.

Seriously...does anyone really believe that Before Dishonor is better than Greater Than The Sum?
 
I think it's possible one could feel that way depending on the type of story they were in the mood for at the time. BD certainly has a good number of "set pieces" that I've found somewhat fun to reread.
 
PD may be the devil for writing a bad story for some, but that makes Christopher Bennet and David Mack angels for saving the mess he made in BD.

Seriously...does anyone really believe that Before Dishonor is better than Greater Than The Sum?

Me!

If not by much.

(For the record, otherwise, I usually prefer Christopher to PAD; I just didn't like GTTS that much.)
 
Seriously...does anyone really believe that Before Dishonor is better than Greater Than The Sum?

Given the fact that in my opinion GttS is the weakest of the TNG post-Nemesis novels by a very, very, very, very long shot, that in itself isn't a very hard feat to achieve, but actually I think Before Dishonor is the strongest of the bunch.
 
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