i like cylkoth point about the ghoald.
instead of looking at a race all as villains i liked how they had this break away group who went in a different direction.
they could have had this here but pretty much can forget that now.
Grade SG-A – Ghost in the Machine - (SPOILERS)
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i like cylkoth point about the ghoald.
instead of looking at a race all as villains i liked how they had this break away group who went in a different direction.
they could have had this here but pretty much can forget that now.
Mallozi presented the idea to Torri, but not the script. She must have realized it was more stringing along of her character and not actual closure, so she refused to return. I applaud her.
That's the problem the end of the episode creates..they didn't want to be Replicators anymore.. They wanted to be good little boy and girl humans, so they could grow and evolve. And Weir goes all Airlock Archer and spaces the entire group, while our heroes lend a hand....
Well, while maybe not the smartest movie (but definitely a quick fix), the number of times humans have been threatened, attacked, nearly destroyed by replicators since SG-1 season 3, it would be really hard to look past everything that's gone before (also, it sure didn't help matters that you had one of them run off during the initial "trusting period").
Hmm...I'm kinda curious how we'd be reacting if the Atlantis crew just let them go at the end to do whatever it is they do.
Hmm...I'm kinda curious how we'd be reacting if the Atlantis crew just let them go at the end to do whatever it is they do.
I would have given it a "average" grade up until that last minute or so, which I found heartrending, so bumped up the grade to "excellent".
Woolsey wasn't just a punchline, which was nice.
we'll see those Replicators again, no question, but it was adequate for tying the story up for now.
Woolsey wasn't just a punchline, which was nice.
we'll see those Replicators again, no question, but it was adequate for tying the story up for now.
Since most of the Replicators and Weir were bending over backwards (after the negotiations, that is) to convince the humans that they were no threat, treating them like every other scummy, threatening enemy they've ever encountered by stabbing them in the back while pretending to be their friends was pretty darn low.
But aside from my personal feeling on the matter, the way they chose to do away with the Replicators was just dumb. Let's see...the Replicators, even in their more limited form, can still interface with Ancient technology (witness that one guy shutting off the security measures in the lab), they don't die when dumped in a vacuum, they will undoubtedly be very angry that they were duped like that...and they've been placed in orbit in close proximity to a 22-foot wide piece of Ancient tech that can teleport them anywhere in the galaxy they might wish to go. And to top it all off, by dropping them in deep space, the Atlantis team lost what little measure of control they may have had over the Replicators' actions in the lab. Yup. No potential for disaster there!
Depends. If the Replicators played it straight, I'd be happy. If not, I'd be thinking "Well, guess they should have killed them."
there are ways they could have been monitored and possible safe guards put into place.
but just leaving them in space near and object that may draw the curious,,
bad move if they really saw them as an enemy.
heck send them underground at least to some buried gate
Re: Grade SG-A – Ghost in the Machine - (SPOILERS)
You know, I just realised they did the same thing in an earlier SG1 episode, when the Replicators first took on human form, one of them didn't want to be mean spirited and a murderer, but they left him imprisoned on the planet frozen in time.
I can't remember the name of the episode at the moment.
But replicators cannot be contained. And still you have to be suspicious of their real motivations for ascension. Was it really to just not be replicators any more? Or was it something else entirely? I suspect the latter, the replicators always have a plan in motion.
You know, I just realised they did the same thing in an earlier SG1 episode, when the Replicators first took on human form, one of them didn't want to be mean spirited and a murderer, but they left him imprisoned on the planet frozen in time.
I can't remember the name of the episode at the moment.
But replicators cannot be contained. And still you have to be suspicious of their real motivations for ascension. Was it really to just not be replicators any more? Or was it something else entirely? I suspect the latter, the replicators always have a plan in motion.
Unnatural Selection, Season 6, SG-1. I only remember that cos its one of my favourite episodes.
But yeah, our heroes do have a knack of betraying Replicators, don't they? No wonder they keep on returning more pissed off then ever before. Any day now, a Stargate beam weapon will drop out of hyperspace right over Altantis and attack the city which will eventually be forced to leave the planet to escape the weapon's range.
SGC Policy: If in doubt, freeze the bastards. It worked for 'human' Anubis and twice now for Replicators.
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I don't have a problem with what they did with the Replicators. It's somewhat realistic because they were too much of a threat to be around and I doubt any real military operation would've allowed them to stick around.
Remember these Replicators did kill and attack people.
Remember these Replicators did kill and attack people.
Let`s hope we won`t encounter aliens who think that humanity is too immature, too dangerous to have around. Better get rid of them to be safe.
I think I figured out how the replicators could escape their frozen space fate.
Three of them grab each other and one shifts into a DHD like device. One of them dials the gate as a DHD type device. Then two of the three throw the third one into the gate and they travel to the world with their ship. The one that travels makes it to their puddle jumper and goers back to the space gate with a jumper and picks the rest up.
Maybe the replicators knew they were going to deep space, it may take them a while to get back but they considered it a reasonable sacrifice.
Three of them grab each other and one shifts into a DHD like device. One of them dials the gate as a DHD type device. Then two of the three throw the third one into the gate and they travel to the world with their ship. The one that travels makes it to their puddle jumper and goers back to the space gate with a jumper and picks the rest up.
Maybe the replicators knew they were going to deep space, it may take them a while to get back but they considered it a reasonable sacrifice.
i don't know why they didn't even offer the Reps Woolsey's idea of isolating their consciences & putting them into a false reality like the other gal. That seemed like a good option to me. Now we are just waiting for the Wraith to drop by & pick them up & thaw them out & plug them into the computer system.
I also don't understand why they betray the replicators every chance they get, just because they're a possible threat. Wouldn't they be better to have as allies rather than enemies?
However, this does seem like the perfect chance for the replicators to achieve ascension. I mean, they have plenty of time to meditate now.
However, this does seem like the perfect chance for the replicators to achieve ascension. I mean, they have plenty of time to meditate now.
Well, I don't do this very often, but I rated "Ghost in the Machine" as Kree Atlantis.
It was the ending, more than anything else, that signed the deal. I was also pretty impressed with how they wrapped up a loose end or two involving Elizabeth Weir while, at the same time, leaving the window open for the possible return (again) of the Replicators. Not that I want to see them again anytime soon, but it wasn't enough to ruin the overall pleasure of the episode.
So, again, this episode earns a Kree Atlantis from this viewer.
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It was the ending, more than anything else, that signed the deal. I was also pretty impressed with how they wrapped up a loose end or two involving Elizabeth Weir while, at the same time, leaving the window open for the possible return (again) of the Replicators. Not that I want to see them again anytime soon, but it wasn't enough to ruin the overall pleasure of the episode.
So, again, this episode earns a Kree Atlantis from this viewer.
Gatekeeper
Ah, no shape-shifting, though. One of McKay's safeguards. I figure they can just grab onto one replicator--say, Weir, since I bet they're none too happy with her--and toss her away from the gate, thus giving themselves a push back in the gate's direction. Then they grab onto the gate, use their crazy shove-your-hand-into-it skillz and manually dial the gate to get away.
On the other hand, it's just a matter of time until a ship uses that space gate and finds the replicators floating in orbit. Then the replicators either get stripped for tech and reverse engineered (bad) or take over the ship and escape (worse.)
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I liked this episode a lot... although it was also sad. It reminded me of the Sliders episode where they resolved Wade's story. In both cases it was like a final swan song for the characters in question, and in both cases it was blatantly obvious the actressesses wanted nothing of it -- just adding to the sad finality of it all.
It was obvious from the start that it wasn't Higginson... that it wasn't her voice, and that they'd then have some template replicator body. Sure enough. Which partially leaves this feeling of... "why are you dragging it up, if you can't resolve it with the actress in qusetion?" It seems almost pointless. And that real world stuff sort of affects the crediblity of the episode.
That aside, its story is good. And the actress who took on Weir's role was amazingly spot on with 'replicating' (brum-tish) Tori's mannerisms and speech patterns.
And I liked the ending... and there was a harshness to their decision. That they didn't just pussy about and end it with their usual "Today we are friends... but if we meet again, we will not be" shite. And I LOVE that they didn't really know if it was their Weir until they killed her, that was amazing.
Yeah, overall, this was one of the best Stargates in a long while. But I always love stories that have a bit of balls, and a bit of a bad ending to them.
It was obvious from the start that it wasn't Higginson... that it wasn't her voice, and that they'd then have some template replicator body. Sure enough. Which partially leaves this feeling of... "why are you dragging it up, if you can't resolve it with the actress in qusetion?" It seems almost pointless. And that real world stuff sort of affects the crediblity of the episode.
That aside, its story is good. And the actress who took on Weir's role was amazingly spot on with 'replicating' (brum-tish) Tori's mannerisms and speech patterns.
And I liked the ending... and there was a harshness to their decision. That they didn't just pussy about and end it with their usual "Today we are friends... but if we meet again, we will not be" shite. And I LOVE that they didn't really know if it was their Weir until they killed her, that was amazing.
Yeah, overall, this was one of the best Stargates in a long while. But I always love stories that have a bit of balls, and a bit of a bad ending to them.
I thought it was good all the way through, but the ending was the real icing on the cake.
I actually liked the first person point of view memories, its certainly better than usually TV memories where the person doing the remembering actually sees their own body.
They made the most they could of the situation with the actress not wanting to come back, and unlike most of the people in this thread, I dont think they did Wier a disservice with this episode, I think the character went out on a massive high.
The woman sacrificed herself to an eternity of drifting in space, unable to die, unable to asscend, and with the knowledge that she doomed the others with her to the same fate, all to save atlantis.
The only thing that didnt ring true was the replicators giving in when they were sinking the city, surely after the humans were all dead, they could just raise the city again and build the bodies with no interference?
I guess at that point they were bluffing about killing everyone, and Woolsey called them.
He grew a massive set in this episode.
I actually liked the first person point of view memories, its certainly better than usually TV memories where the person doing the remembering actually sees their own body.
They made the most they could of the situation with the actress not wanting to come back, and unlike most of the people in this thread, I dont think they did Wier a disservice with this episode, I think the character went out on a massive high.
The woman sacrificed herself to an eternity of drifting in space, unable to die, unable to asscend, and with the knowledge that she doomed the others with her to the same fate, all to save atlantis.
The only thing that didnt ring true was the replicators giving in when they were sinking the city, surely after the humans were all dead, they could just raise the city again and build the bodies with no interference?
I guess at that point they were bluffing about killing everyone, and Woolsey called them.
He grew a massive set in this episode.
^I think the idea was that McKay had disabled the Replicator machine and as they were just disembodied energy in the computer system they wouldn't be able to put it back together without him. McKay and the other scientists dead = no new bodies. Though I don't see why Elizabeth couldn't have put it back together.
I felt this one just lacked punch and I'm not sure it would have been there even if Torri had come back. They really should have spent more time on the emotional impact of it. Sheppard & McKay in particular were very close to Elizabeth yet I never really felt any real angst in this episode at all. Average at best.
I felt this one just lacked punch and I'm not sure it would have been there even if Torri had come back. They really should have spent more time on the emotional impact of it. Sheppard & McKay in particular were very close to Elizabeth yet I never really felt any real angst in this episode at all. Average at best.
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