Grade 5x09 - "Tracker"

[Hermiod]

I see what you're saying. Then again, I suppose you could ask why McKay is the only one who gets treated this way. Could it be that he's NOT the one we're supposed to relate to the most? I mean, Carter was every bit the genius McKay is,

Well, no she isn't, but that's a different discussion. A better comparison could be made to Jennifer Hailey.

yet no one treated her like crap.

Because, as smart as she is, she can also fly helicopters, she's the best shot in the team and she's the sort of person you want to have your back in a fight. She's an action hero who happens to be smart.

Ditto Daniel, who got some ribbing from Jack every now and then, but you know what? Shepard is really the only one who gives McKay any shit. And as we've seen, he thinks of McKay as a good friend. So I don't see what the problem is.

See "The Shrine". Sheppard only treats McKay properly when he's become as dumb as he is. In the meantime, he's waving citrus fruit around.

So what if Ronon is being an ass? Isn't that part of the whole point of his character? Weir, Teyla, Ford, Beckett, they all put up with Rodney's ego.

Beckett was the only one who treated him like a human being. Teyla and Ford were hardly in a position to judge McKay, either.

As for Weir, remember "The Tao of Rodney" ? He spent a considerable amount of what might have been his last living hours writing hundreds of pages defending her against all the crap people like Kavanagh had been saying about her - on top of all the other nice things he did for everyone else. You'd think that would earn him some slack.

You want to complain on behalf of someone who gets treated unfairly, lets start talking about how your homeboy McKay treats Zelenka. Even Carter was talking shit about him behind his back, which if you ask me, is rather rude and highly unprofessional for a person who was in her position at the time.

McKay apologised to Zelenka for the way he talks to him. Carter didn't.

Think about it. How many times did Trip and Archer pick on TPol?

If I had been around while Enterprise was on the air I would have had some things to say about that. Archer and T'Pol's behaviour was effectively racism, but that's exactly what Braga and Berman wanted when they recreated the Kirk/Spock/McCoy axis.

How many times did Riker toy around with Worf? Odo with Quark? Jack and Daniel? Vala and Daniel?

In all of these examples it was a two-way street. Quark beat Odo sometimes. Worf and Riker were like brothers (see "Ethics" for proof of that). Daniel was usually right. As for Vala and Daniel, that guy needs a punch in the face after the way he behaved in "Unending".

Carter and McKay? A certain level of antagonism exists in every relationship, and sometimes it is more obvious than in others.

It only works as friendship if it's a two-way thing. If McKay picked on Ronon for being effectively a short Wookiee or Teyla for being a violent, ill-educated psychopath who needs to dress more appropriately for the workplace it might work a bit better.

 

[DWF]

Because, as smart as she is, she can also fly helicopters,

Carter can fly a fighter but not a helicopter, how Shep was able to change his MOS is still a mystery.

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

Geez, 6'4" muscular hero types need affection too. Nerdy geniuses shouldn't win all the time!

 

[Kpnuts]

Hermiod, you've left me speechless. Do you enjoying playing the make-believe character of Rodney's mum or something??

1 Just watched that scene again, Teyla calls Rodney, "Rodney", 5 times. She calls him 'Doctor McKay' a grand total of zero times. PS: Sheppard also calls him Rodney once, and Dr McKay zero times. The point is, they all call him Rodney. Yes Shappard sometimes calls him 'McKay', but then, Rodney calls Sheppard Shappard far more.

2. Watch Rodney speaking to Zalenka in ever episode for the past 5 years, to see ACTUAL bullying. Yes he apologised once, does that excuse him for doing it every other waking moment?

3. "McKay sometimes even underestimates his own ability. If he was arrogant, he'd assume he could solve every problem." - OH PLEASE. You honestly can't believe that!!! The fact that you honestly think that McKay isn't an arrogant, self-important guy is quite frankly laughable.

4. As has been said, chill the F out. All four characters care for each other. Simple as that. You're taking this 'supposed' (and non-existant) McKay bullying FAR too far.

 

[doubleohfive]

How many times did Riker toy around with Worf? Odo with Quark? Jack and Daniel? Vala and Daniel?

In all of these examples it was a two-way street. Quark beat Odo sometimes. Worf and Riker were like brothers (see "Ethics" for proof of that). Daniel was usually right. As for Vala and Daniel, that guy needs a punch in the face after the way he behaved in "Unending".

Why?

Vala had a storied and well-known history of conniving her way in and out of trouble and had toyed with Daniel for three years by that point. She never once had given him any reason to take her seriously. Why would he have taken her seriously then? What previous action or behavior of hers would have demonstrated to him that he should?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

What was the point of this episode again?

Apparently to make us fight about McKay.

Personally, I've never cared for the character. I hope Ronan gets Keller but I still think Ronan is just faking being interested in her because he likes playing with McKay, who is too oblivious to see through it. Ronan can be kind of a dick because his whole planet was obliterated and he was tormented for years by the Wraith. That gives him much more of a free pass for dickery than McKay will ever have.

And everyone needs to chill the frak out and watch the season premiere of Heroes tonight!

 

[unimatrix7]

Even Carter was talking shit about Zelenka behind his back, which if you ask me, is rather rude and highly unprofessional for a person who was in her position at the time.

Yeah, I was struck by that as well. I found it extremely rude, especially since Sam was referencing a situation where Zalenka ultimately saved the goddamn city.

 

[Hermiod]

Vala had a storied and well-known history of conniving her way in and out of trouble and had toyed with Daniel for three years by that point. She never once had given him any reason to take her seriously. Why would he have taken her seriously then? What previous action or behavior of hers would have demonstrated to him that he should?

He was a complete arse to her. There was no need for the way he behaved.

 

[doubleohfive]

Vala had a storied and well-known history of conniving her way in and out of trouble and had toyed with Daniel for three years by that point. She never once had given him any reason to take her seriously. Why would he have taken her seriously then? What previous action or behavior of hers would have demonstrated to him that he should?

He was a complete arse to her. There was no need for the way he behaved.

Yes, you already said that. Would you care to answer my question?

 

[Hermiod]

Yes, you already said that. Would you care to answer my question?

He knows full well that her behaviour is all a front. You'd think that he of all people would understand how she felt when Adria was taken from her by the Ori after what happened to his wife.

 

[Jax]

Can't believe am going to say this but after reading through the last page I agree with Kp Nuts, McKay is not bullied in any shape or form. He gives back as good as he gets when it comes to the whole verbal stuff, the lemon was a side joke and not meant to be analyzed in such detail after all they didn't make him eat it plus am sure McKay overeggs his so called reaction to citrus fruits as he does with all medical conditions.

Its friendly banter nothing more, they all care for each other for example am sure Sheppard is closer to McKay on a personal level because that side of there friendship is more open but Sheppard and Ronan have more in common though are not so personal between each other because of the whole solider character type they fall into.

Also if my memory serves me right then I think Teyla calls him Rondney most of the time when talking to him but when talking about him with people outside of the team, she uses Doctor McKay majorty of the times. Maybe its Janeway crunch time Harry Kim thing

 

[Kpnuts]

Yes, you already said that. Would you care to answer my question?

He knows full well that her behaviour is all a front. You'd think that he of all people would understand how she felt when Adria was taken from her by the Ori after what happened to his wife.

Care to reply to my points? Or do they not fit in with your completely flawed argument so you choose to ignore them?

 

[Hermiod]

Care to reply to my points? Or do they not fit in with your completely flawed argument so you choose to ignore them?

I was doing you a favour by not answering them. The fact that you felt the need to come back and demand an answer suggests you're getting a bit too upset about this and it is, in fact, you that needs to chill the F out.

 

[Hermiod]

1 Just watched that scene again, Teyla calls Rodney, "Rodney", 5 times. She calls him 'Doctor McKay' a grand total of zero times. PS: Sheppard also calls him Rodney once, and Dr McKay zero times. The point is, they all call him Rodney. Yes Shappard sometimes calls him 'McKay', but then, Rodney calls Sheppard Shappard far more.

What scene ? I'm talking about the series as a whole.

2. Watch Rodney speaking to Zalenka in ever episode for the past 5 years, to see ACTUAL bullying. Yes he apologised once, does that excuse him for doing it every other waking moment?

He hasn't done it since. As has been pointed out, Carter treated him worse.

3. "McKay sometimes even underestimates his own ability. If he was arrogant, he'd assume he could solve every problem." - OH PLEASE. You honestly can't believe that!!! The fact that you honestly think that McKay isn't an arrogant, self-important guy is quite frankly laughable.

Again, calm down. "First Strike" is a good example of what I mean. His demeanour clearly shows that he thinks they're all screwed yet who do they all look to to solve the problem ? Zelenka ? Weir ? Ronon ?

4. As has been said, chill the F out. All four characters care for each other. Simple as that. You're taking this 'supposed' (and non-existant) McKay bullying FAR too far.

As I said, the fact that you felt the need to demand an answer to your points suggests that you are the one taking this too seriously.

 

[Kpnuts]

I'm not demanding anything, I just find it amusing that you don't reply to mine (and other people's) posts because they don't fit it with your argument.

What scene ? I'm talking about the series as a whole.

The scene where Teyla delivered her baby, as we mentioned before. You said she calls him Doctor McKay in it. The fact remains, she calls him Rodney FAR more than Dr McKay. And McKay calls Sheppard Shappard pretty much 24:7, does that mean he hates him? Of course not.

He hasn't done it since. As has been pointed out, Carter treated him worse.

Carter treated him worse, once, due to lazy and sloppy writing on the actor's part. It certainly wasn't meant to be taken in the way you're reading it. Rodney bullies Zalenka pretty much every episode.

"First Strike" is a good example of what I mean. His demeanour clearly shows that he thinks they're all screwed yet who do they all look to to solve the problem ? Zelenka ? Weir ? Ronon ?

No they look to him, but that's besides the point. The man's an arrogant arse, always going on about how smart he is and how inferior the rest are, particularly Sheppard. Wouldn't that be called bullying? Course not, because it doesn't fit in with your bizarre mothering of McKay.

 

[Hermiod]

I'm not demanding anything, I just find it amusing that you don't reply to mine (and other people's) posts because they don't fit it with your argument.

I cannot reply to every post on this board. You have not replied to every point I have made either.

I am clearly not going to agree with you on this, especially as you are so obviously upset so I am going to leave it here.

 

[Kpnuts]

I'm not upset at all, I just find your attempt to defend what is obviously (to everyone) a deeply flawed argument, quite interesting

 

[doubleohfive]

Yes, you already said that. Would you care to answer my question?

He knows full well that her behaviour is all a front.

Yes.

You'd think that he of all people would understand how she felt when Adria was taken from her by the Ori after what happened to his wife.

What does that have to do with anything? Why would Daniel let that affect whether or not he jumped in to bed with her?

As I recall, they were stuck on the ship. Had been for a while. She had been spending the entire time getting hornier and hornier, trying to get him to sleep with her. Daniel was probably well aware that "Keep boredom at bay" was probably part of her motivation in pursuing him. Given their situation and the probability of not surviving, why would he open himself up to another relationship after watching Shau're and Sarah get taken? Why would he allow himself to be possibly hurt yet again if they didn't get out of this scrape?

Further, and this is the second time I'm asking, what had Vala done in the preceding three years to demonstrate any reason why Daniel should have taken her advances seriously?

Why wouldn't he feel the need to test her in this scenario, to make sure it wasn't just Vala playing around with his emotions?

Care to reply to my points? Or do they not fit in with your completely flawed argument so you choose to ignore them?

I was doing you a favour by not answering them. The fact that you felt the need to come back and demand an answer suggests you're getting a bit too upset about this and it is, in fact, you that needs to chill the F out.

And yet...

http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2099306&postcount=74

 

[Hermiod]

Further, and this is the second time I'm asking, what had Vala done in the preceding three years to demonstrate any reason why Daniel should have taken her advances seriously?

You mean aside from serve alongside him as an active and important member of SG-1 ? She convinced the SGC she'd changed, obviously that's not good enough for him.

It wasn't like she headed straight out the door down to Mitchell or Teal'c's quarters.

Why wouldn't he feel the need to test her in this scenario, to make sure it wasn't just Vala playing around with his emotions?

Because he doesn't need to be a jerk, it's out of character for him.

 

[the_wildcard]

Well I just caught this episode and thought it was terrific. I am glad to see they are heading somewhere with Ronin/Mckay with Keller. For a second I thought Ronin didn't have any feelings for Keller and was just screwing with Mckay, but it turns out he really does.

On a side note, my favorite scene is when Shepard offers to get rid of Mckay who's annoying the little girl and the girl responds..."really?"

hahaha