Yet it seems to be working because I just can't find a reason not to tune in.
Spoilers Gotham - Season 2
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Finally! I wonder how they managed to get around Kane's contract that specifically prohibited ever giving Finger a credit because Kane was a complete jerk. But then, apparently it's only in adaptations that Finger will be given proper credit, which suggests that the actual comics will still be prohibited from doing so.
Brad Meltzer got Bill Finger credit on Detective Comics 27.
As I understand it, that was a writing credit for the reprint of portions of "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate" in that issue, not a "Batman created by" credit. Finger has had a writing credit for Batman before -- specifically, in Batman '66's "The Clock King's Crazy Crimes" and "The Clock King Gets Crowned," which Finger co-wrote. (That was the first time he ever got a writing credit for Batman, even though he'd been writing the comic for nearly 30 years, and his co-writer on the episode let him have the lead credit as compensation for the fact.) But he's never been given official creator credit, because of the clause Kane insisted on in his contract.
So I suspect we won't be seeing "Batman created by Bob Kane & Bill Finger." There will probably be some carefully worded credit that comes as close as possible to acknowledging him without actually being able to come right out and say it. Probably more along the lines of the "Special Thanks" lists that Marvel has in the credits of its movies and shows, where they name all the writers and artists who created characters or storylines used in the production.
I think IGN's article said it will be a co-creator credit. Finger was a co-writer? I thought he was the artist.
As for the credit, I'm wondering if it might be something along the lines of "Based on Batman created by Bob Kane and co-created by Bill Finger", or something along those lines.
IGN has an article about a set visit one of their writers did last month. There were two episodes in production during their visit, but this article is just about the season in general, with different articles related to those specific episodes coming closer to when they air.
As for the credit, I'm wondering if it might be something along the lines of "Based on Batman created by Bob Kane and co-created by Bill Finger", or something along those lines.
IGN has an article about a set visit one of their writers did last month. There were two episodes in production during their visit, but this article is just about the season in general, with different articles related to those specific episodes coming closer to when they air.
Bill Finger was the writer. The original writer.
Gotham is giving us the Finger!
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No, Kane was the artist -- although he had a lot of ghost artists working under him, like Jerry Robinson. Finger was the writer for the first quarter-century or more of Batman's existence. Finger created essentially everything about Batman except the name. The only Batman fiction Bob Kane ever wrote was the line "Batman created by Bob Kane."
I'll let Ty Templeton illustrate what a pure Bob Kane Batman would've been like:
http://comicsalliance.com/ty-templeton-draws-batman-as-created-by-bob-kane-art/
He is that sort of a fellow.
Supposedly he had himself buried in Batman memorabilia.
Finger apparently had his ashes spread out on a beach in the shape of a Bat when he died.
Supposedly he had himself buried in Batman memorabilia.
Finger apparently had his ashes spread out on a beach in the shape of a Bat when he died.
Dammit, I knew these tease out the cave!
I was half expecting them to open with Bruce and Alfred walking back up the stairs: "Wow, that was amazing! We can't tell anyone what we've seen!"
I was half expecting them to open with Bruce and Alfred walking back up the stairs: "Wow, that was amazing! We can't tell anyone what we've seen!"
They somehow found a way to make Barbra even more unlikeable.
This show is bat-shit crazy...
Jim is a terrible cop, a woman will get stabbed by a sword-wielding maniac under his watch one day.
Not only is Arkham co-ed but they have striped prison dresses for the ladies!
The most sensible way to try to break into the batcave is with a fertilizer bomb!
The smuggled prison phone is a land line!
Peter Scolari was less broad on Bosom Buddies.
Jim is a terrible cop, a woman will get stabbed by a sword-wielding maniac under his watch one day.
Not only is Arkham co-ed but they have striped prison dresses for the ladies!
The most sensible way to try to break into the batcave is with a fertilizer bomb!
The smuggled prison phone is a land line!
Peter Scolari was less broad on Bosom Buddies.
She's definitely gotten weirder.
Yeah, how about that. Looney tunes prison.
This is pre-batcave. Bruce will no doubt build a much better door.
After they blew it open, I thought... What if it revealed a hall with another door.
With the most obvious five-digit passcode that he or Alfred should have started with....
Okay... just... no.
This is Jim Gordon. The epitome of the one good cop. Maybe willing to bend the rules for the greater good up to a point, but still an intrinsically honorable figure.
But now the show has crossed a line. It's had Jim kill in service to an organized crime boss. And it was not self-defense, because Jim initiated the confrontation in the first place. Indeed, since it happened while Jim was committing a crime, that makes it aggravated murder. There is no coming back from that. Jim Gordon is now a murderer. This goes beyond Superman snapping Zod's neck. There was at least a flimsy self-defense justification for that. This is a permanent stain on Gordon's character (the show's version of it), and it destroys the moral core that has always defined him and taints everything he achieves from now on. This was supposed to be a show about how Gordon cleaned up the corrupt Gotham establishment, not a show about how he became part of the corruption. He's no longer someone I can root for, because he's a murderer. The only options are that he either confesses and pays his debt, which he won't do or the show ends, or he spends the rest of his life covering up the fact that he committed murder in service to the Penguin. No matter how much good he does from now on, it will be built on a lie. That is not the show about Jim Gordon I wanted to see, and I don't know if it's a show I can continue to watch.
Also, Bruce, who was the one good thing about this show, has been dumbed down. He should've been able to crack that door code methodically just by entering numbers until he got a hit -- and it shouldn't have been that hard to guess that the code was his name. And in his scene with Jim, he should've seen that doing an "ugly thing" to do good wouldn't work, because it would put him under Penguin's thumb forever.
And what was that bizarre claim of Penguin's that Loeb had no vices and couldn't be blackmailed? He was monumentally corrupt! He was the root of the police corruption in Gotham! Are we seriously supposed to believe that there was nothing that could be used to blackmail him? That makes no sense whatsoever. (Not to mention that Jim's probably guilty of conspiracy in the death of Loeb's security man too, since he asked Penguin for the favor.)
This is Jim Gordon. The epitome of the one good cop. Maybe willing to bend the rules for the greater good up to a point, but still an intrinsically honorable figure.
But now the show has crossed a line. It's had Jim kill in service to an organized crime boss. And it was not self-defense, because Jim initiated the confrontation in the first place. Indeed, since it happened while Jim was committing a crime, that makes it aggravated murder. There is no coming back from that. Jim Gordon is now a murderer. This goes beyond Superman snapping Zod's neck. There was at least a flimsy self-defense justification for that. This is a permanent stain on Gordon's character (the show's version of it), and it destroys the moral core that has always defined him and taints everything he achieves from now on. This was supposed to be a show about how Gordon cleaned up the corrupt Gotham establishment, not a show about how he became part of the corruption. He's no longer someone I can root for, because he's a murderer. The only options are that he either confesses and pays his debt, which he won't do or the show ends, or he spends the rest of his life covering up the fact that he committed murder in service to the Penguin. No matter how much good he does from now on, it will be built on a lie. That is not the show about Jim Gordon I wanted to see, and I don't know if it's a show I can continue to watch.
Also, Bruce, who was the one good thing about this show, has been dumbed down. He should've been able to crack that door code methodically just by entering numbers until he got a hit -- and it shouldn't have been that hard to guess that the code was his name. And in his scene with Jim, he should've seen that doing an "ugly thing" to do good wouldn't work, because it would put him under Penguin's thumb forever.
And what was that bizarre claim of Penguin's that Loeb had no vices and couldn't be blackmailed? He was monumentally corrupt! He was the root of the police corruption in Gotham! Are we seriously supposed to believe that there was nothing that could be used to blackmail him? That makes no sense whatsoever. (Not to mention that Jim's probably guilty of conspiracy in the death of Loeb's security man too, since he asked Penguin for the favor.)
Oh dear God, no--Let's not get that conversation going here! (Where's the emoticon of holding a gun to my own head...?)
Well, that's just the point. There's room for moral ambiguity in that case, something for people to argue over. This case has no such ambiguity, because Bruno Heller wouldn't know subtlety if it kicked him in the teeth. Jim killed a man in the commission of an armed robbery in service to a mob boss. That's not just crossing the line, that's crossing three or four lines in one hop.