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Gotham - Season 1

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I only recently ran into the character around 2005, where he is angry, surly, sarcastic and half drunk (He lives in a magic bar you can get into from any doorway, it's not difficult to stay drunk.) most of the time, and probably comparable to Rocket Raccoon as far as cute talking animals go, even though they are both rooted in completely dfferent genres of fiction.
 
Yeah, it'd make far more sense if Thomas and Martha Wayne were killed "randomly" while walking down a presumably safe street in an upscale neighborhood of Gotham, going to meet Alfred on the otherside of an area cars can't get to/a one-way or something along those lines. It'd be a lot easier to accept or at least ignore that these people were killed, randomly, while doing something fairly normal or at least not crazily risky.

Maybe Daddy Wayne could be trying to support gentrification in the city and got a little turned around and lost going back to the car and oops! I know I had to do jury duty in downtown Detroit under construction and ended up parked in a place so sketchy I wasn't sure my car would be there when I returned.
 
^ You're right that not all Noir incorporates the supernatural, but the PtBs of Gotham could certainly add those elements if they wanted and it wouldn't be out-of-place.

But I can't understand why anyone at this point would think they would want to. The whole premise of this show is clearly designed to minimize the comic-booky aspects and make it as "normal" a crime drama as possible. The future superhero is just a kid who will never don a costume until after the series ends, and the villains are just proto-supervillains at a stage in their lives before they adopt their flamboyant personas. The whole approach to this show is to keep as far away from the fanciful elements of the comics as possible while still being set in a version of the Batman universe. Saying it's possible that they could suddenly reverse course and embrace fantasy is like saying, ohh, that it's possible Sleepy Hollow could suddenly begin portraying American history in a grounded and realistic way, or that 24 might give up that whole real-time thing and have Jack Bauer become an Amnesty International spokesman. Sure, it's theoretically possible, but it's in direct opposition to the intent of the series' creators, so it's just about the most unlikely possibility.

I don't think the premise of the show needs to be what you are suggesting at all, based on the first episode. I think that you are reading too much in to the little information we have so far.

I think that you are being a little closed as to the possible directions the series could go. None of us are saying that it has to include super elements, only that there is nothing established that it is not going to.
 
It's just experience. Most comic-book adaptations made for mass media try to downplay the fanciful elements in order to make themselves more accessible to the general, non-geek audience. Even the Marvel Cinematic Universe did so initially and still does to some extent (e.g. the rather prosaic version of the Mandarin). Batman adaptations in particular have done so more than most. So it's just bizarre to me to see people looking at a series that's very clearly positioning itself as being about police officers and mobsters and defaulting to the thought, "Okay, when do Dr. Fate and Man-Bat show up?" Where did that thought even come from?
 
Before the world was fantastical, it was normal.

The point where it changed from normal to fantastical is...Batman?

Hey!

This is the abortion argument!

Was Batman born with his parents murder or as he was squeezing into that grey body sock the first time?
 
It's just experience. Most comic-book adaptations made for mass media try to downplay the fanciful elements in order to make themselves more accessible to the general, non-geek audience. Even the Marvel Cinematic Universe did so initially and still does to some extent (e.g. the rather prosaic version of the Mandarin). Batman adaptations in particular have done so more than most. So it's just bizarre to me to see people looking at a series that's very clearly positioning itself as being about police officers and mobsters and defaulting to the thought, "Okay, when do Dr. Fate and Man-Bat show up?" Where did that thought even come from?

I agree that super elements will be downplayed, but for me this is Gotham Central. The world is set in a comic book universe and we may very well those elements at least suggested in upcoming episodes.
 
^No, the world is set in a television adaptation of a comic-book universe. Like any adaptation, it will take what elements it finds useful and discard the rest, and it will reinterpret the elements it uses to suit its own approach. It's not obligated to do things exactly like the comics do. Most live-action adaptations don't. Anything they draw from the comics will most likely be stripped of any fanciful elements, as in the Nolan movies or the first season of Arrow.
 
^No, the world is set in a television adaptation of a comic-book universe. Like any adaptation, it will take what elements it finds useful and discard the rest, and it will reinterpret the elements it uses to suit its own approach. It's not obligated to do things exactly like the comics do. Most live-action adaptations don't. Anything they draw from the comics will most likely be stripped of any fanciful elements, as in the Nolan movies or the first season of Arrow.

Aaaah, well I am not going to convince you to be more open-minded about this but I will be back at the first suggestion of supers--and then we can debate if that was a tear on Scarface's cheek or just a drop of rain...;)
 
Oh gods, I hope TPTB stay away from supernatural elements. That would turn Gotham into campy goofy crap. Batman has such mainstream appeal because he doesn't have super powers. Batman has TOYS. :evil: Cool as shit toys and gadgets. :D.

A touch of the fanciful is fine, but please I BEG you, powers that be--focus on your characters. Between the brilliant young actor who plays Bruce, Sean Pertwee, Jada Pinkett, whatshisname who is sublimely perfect as murderous pre-Penguin and the supremely charismatic Russell Crowe lookalike Ben McKenzie...this cast is perfection.
 
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I don't really see anything to indicate that there are supernatural elements of the Gotham world based off off the pilot, but I really don't see anything to completely rule it out either.
 
Detective Chimp will detach someone's retina with a beermug, after he's finished the pint, lets not be crazy, Detective Chimp would never waste beer... But how is that so different from the Flash Villain Gorilla Grodd, a super speedster, telepathic, English speaking Gorilla from a secret African invisible city full of telepathic gorillas, sucking brains out of human skulls he's just cracked open?

Detective Chimp is me just ####ing about, but it will be criminal not to have Gorilla Grodd make an appearance in the new Flash series.
 
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