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Good Things About Season 3?

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Wouldn't it tho??!!
It would explain why Saavik couldn't look him in the eyes at the end. But I'm just speculating about reasons that would have caused that look beyond the obvious embarrassment about having done the deed. :eek:

But I do like the idea of "The Enterprise Incident" opening up possibilities of a romance between Spock and the Commander leading to Spock's interest in reunifying Vulcan and Romulus.
 
My re-edit of two special effects shots from Spock's Brain...fixing one and modifying another...

The first one fixes the first appearance of the Enteprise in this episode with the terrible bluescreen work. The second replaces old stock footage with a third season shot of the Enterprise...

Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrKJ7b99j3I
watch
 
Interesting but there doesn't seem to be much point to the exercise as you've only replaced two very short shots of a longer sequence...

Sorry and all that - just saying, like...
 
Interesting connection between the "Enterprise Incident" and Spock's involvement with the reunification, later on.
About the ending of E.I. -- I've never really understood the meaning of the last encounter between Spock and the Romulan commander --
Spock: You underestimate yourself, Commander....military secrets are the most fleeting of all. I hope that you and I exchanged something more permanent.
She: It was your choice.
Spock: It was the only choice possible. You would not respect any other.
She: It will be our secret.

I get that they're both admitting an attraction, despite his real goal, but I don't get what choices they're talking about, considering the situation.
 
Correct. But those shots were originally imperfect. I sterilized and made perfect that which was not.

Previously, they were in error...er-ROR!!!
 
In my opinion, and I have never read anything to back it p it was just smething that struck me, seris three suffered largely from trying to deal with a lot of dark themes on a prime time show aimed at multiple age groups. For example, Plato's Stepchildren is a hugely unpopular episode but a lot of themes here are very dark (mind controlling aliens who are EVIL with a capital EV for no good reason is a fairly standad Dark!fic plot device) and this episode wasn't eve shown with the original series on its first airing in the UK for this reason. However, in an effort not to alienate more mainstream viewers by fully exploring Kirk and Spock's humiliation a lot of it just seems very camp and silly and somewhat pointless. I largely think that the whole series would have been better if someone had made a decision on who they were writing for.

That said of course, The Empath, is really good. It's easily in my top three favourite episodes, and it's extremely dark in places. You win some, you lose some
 
Just been watching The Lights of Zetar; no idea why this so maligned - it's not a bad ep...

Agreed. In fact it's one of the best of the entire series. One of only two episodes where Kirk wasn't the star. The scene where Spock, Bones and Scotty talk about the therigan dirrivative was one of my favorite scenes in TOS.
 
There were a lot to like in Season 3, The Enterprise Incident and Tholian Web being two of the major highlights. Also, while it was not a good episode, I did like the hippie music in Way to Eden.
 
Interesting connection between the "Enterprise Incident" and Spock's involvement with the reunification, later on.
About the ending of E.I. -- I've never really understood the meaning of the last encounter between Spock and the Romulan commander --
Spock: You underestimate yourself, Commander....military secrets are the most fleeting of all. I hope that you and I exchanged something more permanent.
She: It was your choice.
Spock: It was the only choice possible. You would not respect any other.
She: It will be our secret.

I get that they're both admitting an attraction, despite his real goal, but I don't get what choices they're talking about, considering the situation.

I believe the choice they mention is Spock refusal to join the Romulan Empire and staying true to his oath of loyalty to Starfleet.

I always liked the Klingon-Romulan alliance idea and that the Romulans were using Klingon-designed starships. As those ships were more menacing than the original Romulan warbird, it made the scenes where we see Enteprise surrounded by the three ships more ominous. (Wonder if they've ever followed up on the Romulan-Klingon alliance in a meaningful way in any novels?)

Now, as for rewatching some old eps, I'll mention one I liked much more than the last time I watched it, and one which was even worse than I remembered.

The former was Is There In Truth No Beauty? I remember not caring for it much when I saw it last, literally decades ago. It was quite inventive to use a big metal box and lights to show the "ugly" Medusan.

It was one of the most original eps of the whole series, as it dealt with a non-humanoid species, and with our conceptions of beauty and ugliness. To Miranda, Kollos's mind was beautiful, while to Marvik esp., others were dazzled by Miranda's own outward beauty. But then they delved into her irrational jealousy of Spock and her protectiveness of Kollos. Thought-provoking.

There's still one scene I find embarassing: How Kirk and McCoy gush over Miranda Jones at the dinner table.

Now, the one which got worse with age was The Paradise Syndrome. Totally ridiculous ep, with a tone-deaf portrayal of the Spock-McCoy rivalry, the Native American stereotypes, and the awful acting of the woman who played Miramanee, Kirk's love while amnesiac.

The only interesting thing about the ep is the revelation about the unknown race known as the Preservers. They hinted at how they might've been responsible not only for the transplanting of the Native Americans to that planet, but possibly the Romulan-Vulcan separation.

Red Rum!
 
The ships arboretum set was a nice addition to the familar locals on the Enterprise, despite the 'Brat Pack' having their ice cream party there. It was an appropriate setting for Kirk's attempt to distract Miranda in ITITNB?.
The colorful lighting on the walls seemed to be in character for the room, as opposed to the corridors and sickbay. Did they reuse any of Sulu's plants from 'The Man Trap'?
TNG did a pretty faithful homage to TOS's arboretum in a couple of episodes.
 
NOTE: "Don't let prejudice and rumor sway you" (as Colonel Greene would say in a later episode) concerning the space-hippies episode "The Way to Eden." As I've written in reply to an earlier post, that episode was likely an attempt to cash in on the mega-popularity of the then-new Broadway musical "Hair" and should be understood as such - and the songs sung by Charles Napier et al. weren't bad.

I've always had a bit of guilty fondness for TWTE...it DOES have a somewhat serious point to make.

Despite the emotional and intellectual immaturity endemic and intrinsic to the counter-culture movement as shown, the "space hippies" were by and large portrayed sympathetically as young people questioning and protesting the majority views of their time.

The problem came when they fell under the Svengali-esqe influence of Dr Severin (iconic stand in for the type of totalitarian Communism contemporary to the episode), who took their ernest questioning and twisted it to his own ends.

Ultimately, the "space hippies" were as much victim as villain, and the final scene between Checkov and his ex represent an increased awareness of BOTH sides for the need of the "other viewpoint".
 
Interesting connection between the "Enterprise Incident" and Spock's involvement with the reunification, later on.
About the ending of E.I. -- I've never really understood the meaning of the last encounter between Spock and the Romulan commander --
Spock: You underestimate yourself, Commander....military secrets are the most fleeting of all. I hope that you and I exchanged something more permanent.
She: It was your choice.
Spock: It was the only choice possible. You would not respect any other.
She: It will be our secret.

I get that they're both admitting an attraction, despite his real goal, but I don't get what choices they're talking about, considering the situation.

Attraction, but not just Spock to the Commander. I think he actually WAS tempted to switch sides, if only slightly.
 
what is the space hippies episode like

It's a fun episode to rag on, but it's far from the worst. I would place it above "Plato's Stepchildren", "And The Children Shall Lead", and the murky mess that is "The Mark of Gideon". It's actually better than most episodes of TNG season 1, if that's any indication.
 
I still don't get that there are trek fans who haven't seen episodes of TOS.

I know! It's kind of like skipping over the first chapter of a book, or coming in late to a play.

I'm not much of a post -TOS fan, but I never, ever missed an episode (or at least never failed to record) TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT. I always hoped they would get better. Sometimes I was rewarded, sometimes not; but at least I stayed "informed".
 
You're right, Hambone and Seigezunt. It is really, really odd. I mean, it's not like there are that many of them, or that they haven't been shown over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...

Look, there isn't a single episode of TOS that will actually blight your life if you watch it. I swear. Even the space hippies. Even "Plato's Stepchildren." Even "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (which, BTW, I've always kind of thought of as the Plain-Bellied Sneetches vs. the Star-Bellied Sneetches episode, except without the happy ending). Even "The Paradise Syndrome," which is my own personal least favorite, hope-I-never-have-to-watch-it-again episode.

Honestly, you've seen, and lived through, far worse TV in your life. I promise.
 
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