Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by thribs, May 29, 2019.
I think we're talking about different sets of critics. the ones I'm talking about are on youtube.
Thanks, but I got it just not at that moment that it happened. I got it eventually it just took a minute of "wait, wut?"
It was a long fortune cookie...
Saw this at a matinee with my son today. Only one other couple in the theater, and they sat way down front so we could talk (make wise cracks) during the movie with wild abandon. This greatly increased our fun. I love bug-eyed monster movies and this one really delivered. The scientist's reasoning was crap, but who cares? We only really want to see our favorite monsters fight and tear things up.
We greatly enjoyed this movie. The people weren't quite as annoying and boring as in the first movie and Mothra was beautiful (without strings). Loved the generational twins! Referencing the original fairies devoted to Mothra, it was a nice update.
Coming back from the theatre. Still pumped like hell. Give it an 'A'.
I don’t understand how people can prefer the 2014 movie over this one. The way they went on about Godzilla like he was nothing important, which diminished his presence and made him feel like a background character in his own movie. The humans were bland and didn’t really add anything to the movie and the jarring cuts from the monster action so they could go to something not as interesting was bizarre, especially in a Kaiju movie.
I thought this movie improved in all those things. Godzilla felt more important, the humans were more interesting and contributed more to the story and the action was better. It even added the original music to the score which was the cherry on top. Sure it wasn’t perfect but it was way better.
Since fortune cookies are American and he was obviously joking, I don't think it's really either...
That was the general plan, but they didn't know he would wake up the other titans. They were planning to wake up all the titans with the Orca, gradually and individually. They were surprised when Ghidorah woke them all at once.
They say "third time's the charm." Well, if we count the 1998 film as the first attempt, then America has finally made the nearly perfect Godzilla film! This was a true unrepentant "love letter" to the life long fans of the genre and contained so many "nods" and "winks" to the Toho films.
I've recounted this anecdote elsewhere, so for those who have already read it, please forgive me.
While a child during the 1970s I had a friend who went to considerably more movies than I did. He would return and regale me with tales of what he saw. Now, he had this knack for making the narrative sound far more intense that what may have been actually presented. His accounts were further embellished by my own overactive imagination. For instance, after he saw "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", he told me how each "naughty" child was weeded from the running and the way he described the events, well, in my mind, they took on the grimness and horror we might witness today in, say, the "Saw" films. Some nostalgic YouTubers has taken this approach, but for humorous effect, playing upon the mental hyperbole. But for me at that time, the unease I experienced upon hearing his descriptions was genuine.
Well, Kyle went to see "Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster" (nowadays packaged using the kaiju's original name, Hedorah) and told me a few "highlights". The one incident that stuck with me involved Hedorah taking flight and spraying an acidic vapor upon hapless victims below. the scene cut to a closeup of one particular fatality. the way Kyle described it, it seemed as though it depicted this horrific melting of flesh, tissue falling from the bones to leave nothing behind both a bare skeleton! Because i did not see the movie myself, I took him at his word and imagined something like what we saw in the 1988 remake of "The Blob". In reality, it was just a series of cinematic dissolves (no pun intended), fading from the fallen actress to a skeleton prop covered in "crud" and then fading to the obviously fake skeleton. But I didn't know that.
Flash forward to the impending release of the next Godzilla film. My father had finally given me permission to see the "towering terror of Tokyo". (Hmm, that would make a great title for a parody project.) The movie posters (taking a cue from the 76 remake of "King Kong") depicted Godzilla facing off his rival, both standing atop the World Trade Center towers. Yes, the film was "Godzilla vs. Megalon". Based upon Kyle's "lavish" descriptions of the prior movie and the bald faced deceptive movie poster, I expected, uh, well, I expected "spectacle" almost beyond my imagination.
What I got was a movie with production values so severely trimmed as to be comparable to those of a Saturday morning series. And it really was frugally budgeted. Years later I learned that many of the effects sequences were lifted from older Toho productions, notably "Rodan" and "Ghidrah, the Three Headed Monsters", even clips from "War of the Gargantuas" and "Destroy All Monsters". Making matters worse, Godzilla does not significantly appear until the last quarter hour of the movie. Again, years later I learned this was originally intended to be a movie showcasing a new Tokusatsu hero, Jet Jaguar, but that Godzilla was kinda' "shoehorned" into the story to assure greater box office revenue. Further disappointment was the comedic air of the confrontation accentuated by very odd choices in music, mouth harps and bongos? the final straw was the purely cartoon slapstick bit with Godzilla performing a wire assisted "drop kick sliding upon his tail, not once, but twice!
This was Godzilla? This was the movie monster my father forbid me to see? I now wonder if he wouldn't let me see them because he thought them embarrassingly silly instead of frightening.
Well, what had I imagined? What had I expected to see?
Heh, heh, pretty much what I saw last night watching "King of the Monsters". I know that's absurd given it was 1976, but I was just a kid of 13 years with an overactive imagination (but apparently not active enough to fool my eyes and ear when I actually watched "...Megalon"). Maybe if I had been younger, say 8, maybe even 9, it would have seemed "intense", but by that point, when I reached the stage when girls actually seemed, ahem, "intriguing", I just couldn't generate that level of disbelief suspension. But this is the kind of spectacle I somehow convinced myself I would see when I bought a ticket for "Godzilla vs. Megalon" in 1976. It just took 43 years to finally experience it. ;-)
Saw it last night, and loved it. (Solid 'A,')
My only real gripe was that they didn't even try to include a version of what I call the 'primitive piano/organ keyboard synthesizer' sound effect in any aspect for/of King Ghidorah (to me it's as much a signature aspect for Ghidorah as Godzilla's classic roar - and they did have that in there for Godzilla.) You can hear the sound effect here in this old clip from "Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster (1964)":
I was also sad they killed off the 'Professor Sarazua' character as I liked Ken Wantanabe's performance of the character, but don't know if he just didn't want to do it any more after this, or the producers just felt the character was done, etc. To me, the whole reason for his death was ridiculous and that was a Nuclear warhead, and I don't see why it would be required to place it 10 feet from Godzilla to work. They could have set the timer on the ship and used one of their drones to get it in te vancinity; but yeah, I'm trying to be logical talking about a Godzilla movie.
I also hope (since hell, every other 'Titan' seems capable of rebirth/regeneration; I hope they find a way to bring back Mothra - and I agree with some of the posters above that a bit more Mothra in the film wouldn't have hurt. I also LOVED how they work in a photo of the original Japanese actresses who played the original "peanuts" (aka the twin island fairies that sing the call to Mothra in the Japanese versions); so yeah, I hope maybe there's another 'Motha larva' around depending on how many more times Legendary takes a bit at the 'Godzilla' apple to do more Western versions. Kinda surprised they put Mothra in China, and didn't have her on some Pacific island somewhere; but still, I liked what they did for her.
Rodan was also well done; and I loved the 'Rodan hunts the Fighter Squadron' sequence.
I also wish they'd shown more of the 17 Titans that escaped as by my count we saw about 8 or so, and IDK but I didn't find the new/never previously seen woolly mammoth based Titan all that impressive.
As for the 'Human story' - as Godzilla films go (Japanese or American) it wasn't bad; and overall the motivations of the 'Bad Guys' and the 'Good Guys' made sense for the most part. I gotta admit, I wasn't expecting the twist of the Mother creating the ORCA to release all the Titans to 'restore natural balance'; but it worked for me. That said, like every Godzilla film, it had it truly ridiculous elements such as the ORCA being left totally unsupervised (along with the child), enough so that said child could just shut it down, and take it out of the Bad Guys Lair and WALK (on foot) all the way to Fenway Park Stadium (through a devastated Boston); and just be able to walk into the Broadcaster's booth AND hook it all up and get it to work.
Overall though I still stand by my A as it was fun, and I hope they do proceed with Godzilla V. Kong, or
Godzilla V. A Cybernetically restored Ghidorah.
It seems kinda too predictable with that ending, too much like Batman vs Superman. They'll have a fight, neither will "win" and then they'll realise they have to team up to fight Tywin Lannister's new super-Ghidorah-clone/mecha-thing-whatever-it-will-be, just like how B & S had to fight Lex Luthor's dodgy DNA revived mutant thing that was Doomsday.
I mean I wanna see it, but I just hope it's not that predictable.
In the closing credits when we see flashes of newspaper headlines, we see one noting the discovery of another Mothra egg. So, whether or not she's actually utilized, the "door is open" for her return. Besides, this is something more than a couple of Toho films have done. We see Mothra in her adult form and during the course of events, she is killed or simply dies, but not before we are made aware of another egg which in a couple instances hatches. In fact, that's what happened in the first Godzilla/Mothra flick. They fight; she's mortally wounded and dies. An egg she supposedly laid before the movie starts and has been something of a McGuffin throughout the film hatches a pair of Mothra larvae which finally manage to cocoon Godzilla, defeating him.
Mothra is something of a Phoenix in the Toho movies. She dies but she usually "gets better".
I believe it was said that there will be a definitive winner in the fight. So I doubt it will be like BvS.
I just double checked and Wikipedia does not have Charles Dance in the GvK cast, so I'm wondering if the whole Ghidorah head bit at the end might be a set up for a third solo Big G movie, rather than GvK. I guess they could either be leaving him out of the announcements so his appearance is a surprise, or we could get the other Big G without Jonah, but with the post credits scene that seems unlikely.
I'm hoping we can get Dougherty's Godzilla B.C. prequel idea. There are so many aspects of this world that can be explored now.
Kong: You're letting him kill Mothra!
Godzilla: Why'd you say that name?
The cast list is still pretty short and not highly sourced, so I think there's still a good chance he'll be in it. Hell, I didn't know he was going to be in King of the Monsters until the first trailer.
Finally got to see it today. I give it a solid B. There's a lot in the movie I like, though there's other things that could have been done better IMO. I honestly don't think the movie is as bad as many of the professional critics have said, although it does have flaws. I think there's some fair criticism of the fight between Ghidorah and Gozilla at the Antarctic base, in that I felt it was a bit choppier than it should have been because the camera pans every other scene to a human character.
I wish the writing for some of the characters had been better. I get the impression that Emma is intended to be a good person at heart who ultimately wants to do the right thing, but her motivation for allying with the terrorists (as explained in the film) is kind of wonky IMO. Initially it's portrayed as though she and Maddie were captured because they need the Orca, but then later we learn that Emma had an agreement to help them out because she thought they shared similar goals, and because she was afraid of what would happen if the military complex was given control of Monarch. Does that mean she knew they (the terrorists) might attack and kill innocent people to make it convincing (in theory, they could have sold it better by just threatening her to come with them, without any fatalities)?
Mark seems to have an understandable hatred of all Titans, which makes perfect sense in context, yet he winds up being the one to regularly convince the team to aid Godzilla. It just felt kind of uneven to me, but YMMV. I suppose in part, as much as I love Godzilla as a "good" monster who's willing to protect humans to some degree, I have a bit of trouble really thinking of coexistence with such beings as being a symbiotic or balanced relationship. Not that it's impossible, but line about humans effectively being more like pets (at best) seems a bit more accurate. And the idea that the radiation from the Titans (are all of them radioactive in some way, in this continuity, as opposed to mainly a few like Godzilla and Ghidorah? I'm genuinely curious) would fix things apparently easily seems odd too. Again, not saying it's not valid in a continuity like the Godzillaverse, just that it seems weird at best.
I thought the new Mothra looked great personally, and I wish she'd gotten more to do. The SFX were very good visually.
If Mothra and Rodan had been human(oid) characters in fantasy medieval setting, I can imagine her fighting with khopesh type short swords during most of their melee. But just as it appears Rodan has the upper hand, Mothra plunges a rapier she had hidden (likely under her cape) straight through his chest. That's how her stinger came across, a totally new feature allowing her to be a more aggressive fighter. That was a wicked surprise!
Speaking of Rodan, when he shows submission before Godzilla at the end, his features and "expression" almost convinced me he would make that smarmy "Hmm" like the Skeksis Chamberlain from the "Dark Crystal".
I'm now picturing someone doing that kind of edit on YouTube.
I just realized that wasn't Lena Waithe in this movie.
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