Go Get Your Shotguns (Spoilers)
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So long as JJ hasn't fucked about with the bridge too much (I mean the basic size, shape and layout not the design style) I can stomach anything he throws at me - but if he has come up with a huge BSG style command centre (but with a viewscreen and captains chair) I'll throw things at the screen until the 10th viewing when I might have gotten used to it.
^ I can't see them moving away from the 'captain's chair' formula of all the Trek bridges in the original canon. Casual viewers of Trek over the years (part of the intended audience) will expect at least a small bit of familiarity to separate this in their minds from Star Wars 
mada101 said:
^ I can't see them moving away from the 'captain's chair' formula of all the Trek bridges in the original canon. Casual viewers of Trek over the years (part of the intended audience) will expect at least a small bit of familiarity to separate this in their minds from Star Wars
But when the designer says: "I can't discuss any details, all I can offer is that you lose all your expectations of what Star Trek should be," Brown said.[/i]
I get a bit concerned that they have done something stupid. I guess I will just have to wait and see like everyone else.
Not bloody likely.
Well, I guess that's one of my biggest questions answered. Although, personally, I don't understand how people could actually be suprised or angry about this, IMO this had to be done for people to even begin to take the movie seriously. I just hope they at least keep the baisic design elements, like the "whoosh* doors and the bridge design at least recognizeable to us Trekkies.
And you're basing this on? Oh that Gene isn't involved or neither are Braga or Berman and since JJ Abrams ran over your cat he can do no good. Sorry I forgot.
Actually I think the music will be more "epic" then its been in a long time not simply a retread of the same sound they kept inserting in the last few movies. Though I liked the drumbeat in the opening of NEM all the rest was meh.
You know its *likely* the actual Trek theme gets a nod here so don't go bashing the un-composed music yet.
Sharr
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We're going to The Rocky Horror Picture Show?
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Well I did read the article. A shame I had to actually go to SyFy Portal (the science fiction equivalent of the Drudge Report) and there is nothing to suggest that it is going to look like Seaquest. She just said it was going to be different and to have an open mind. Granted the latter will be difficult for most of us, expecially for those who will boycott the film if they don't have gooseneck viewing screens at each station on the bridge.
Shame about the green screen shots, but that is a necessary evil of the genre.
I can't wait to see the trailer. If there isn't a voiceover by Orson Welles (like in the teaser trailer for TMP), I will soooo boycott this trailer
Shame about the green screen shots, but that is a necessary evil of the genre.
I can't wait to see the trailer. If there isn't a voiceover by Orson Welles (like in the teaser trailer for TMP), I will soooo boycott this trailer
Flake said:
mada101 said:
^ I can't see them moving away from the 'captain's chair' formula of all the Trek bridges in the original canon. Casual viewers of Trek over the years (part of the intended audience) will expect at least a small bit of familiarity to separate this in their minds from Star Wars
But when the designer says: "I can't discuss any details, all I can offer is that you lose all your expectations of what Star Trek should be," Brown said.[/i]
I get a bit concerned that they have done something stupid. I guess I will just have to wait and see like everyone else.
See, it's also possible to take this to mean: Way more sets, way more aliens, way more ships, etc. Rather than any specific redesigns.
Isn't it fun to play Guess the Meaning?
One assumes that's where alot of the budget is going for to fill those big blue/green voids with something interesting to look at.
Sharr
You don't know anything of the kind.
In fact, this composer has done some pretty marvelous scores - certainly better than anything that, say, James "Ripoff" Horner ever did for Trek.
How dare you talk reasonably?
There are really two things that are said in that article. First, the exterior of the ship is NOT changing (according to someone who's not working on the exterior of the ship, mind you, so take that with a slab of salt!) and the inside WILL show some differences.
How much? That's ENTIRELY subject to debate and discussion. If (1) we're seeing THE ENTERPRISE, and (2) it's during a period where we've seen before... yeah, it oughta look very much like we remember, but it doesn't have to be built out of plywood flats and 2x4's and use cast resin bits for keypads and so forth.
On the other hand, if it's set in another timeframe... the key thing is that the sets are (1) able to fit into the framework of the ship as we know it, and (2) are thematically and stylistically recognizable as being set in the same general universe.
I'm personally very fond of the general presentation of the TOS sets, but I don't believe that they represent the "real" version of what those hypothetical "real" starship interiors would look like. They represent the best approximation of the hypothetical "real" sets that was possible on a shoestring budget and basic TV filming limitations in 1966.
A few months ago, I put up a pretty in-depth poll in the "future of Trek" board about this. In it, among many other things, I gave a choice regarding the interiors which I described as being "the same as the original design, but with a greater degree of 'polish'" and that perspective was WIDELY the favorite approach as stated by everyone who posted.
I know that at least two of the folks who're doing this movie read that poll and found it interesting... though I doubt that they'd have made any artistic or other filmmaking decisions based solely upon a "TrekBBS" poll.
My point is that the people on this board were pretty clear... they wanted the exterior to be "almost identical" by an overwhelming margin, but allowed for cleaning it up and giving it a much finer finish job. But for the interior, the decision a nearly split between "almost identical but cleaned up" and "very close to the original but with significant differences."
So, what I'm reading here is that we're getting what we, as a group, seem to WANT. A ship that looks almost identical externally but has an interior that, while recognizable, will be done with orders of magnitude better construction and detailing.
For example...no more "pegboards" in Engineering, with blinky lights behind the holes. But I'd be shocked if there wasn't something SIMILAR there... ie, a huge display board that could, among other things, show schematic diagrams which would look much like the old "pegboard" from a distance, if you squint...
It won't be the same... but it'll be a better approximation of whatever the original sets were supposed to represent. THAT is what I fully expect to see.
And this article, as I read it, seemed to confirm everything I expect to see. Of course, like ALL of us, we all filter things through our own perceptions, so I'm sure that there are some people who will take that as proof positive that "THIS IS A REBOOOOOOTTTT!!!" and some people who will take the "directive from Abrams and/or PPC that the ship's exterior cannot change" to be proof positive that THE SHIP WILL HAVE WINNNNNGGGGSSSSS!!!!
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