Glee creator blasts Slash, Kings of Leon for snubbing show

[FPAlpha]

Murphy needs to cool down.. fast. This is getting ridiculous and Murphy is digging his own grave deeper by every remark he makes on this case.

He needs to understand that some artists simply don't like to be on the show for whatever reason and he needs to respect that and not react with a childish tantrum.

Murphy added: "That said, I would love to sit down with Nathan or any member of Kings and Leon, and tell them how on Glee we actually love their music, and support their artistry... but cannot condone or even laugh at their clear disdain of gay people."

Apart from the last part i wholeheartedly agree.. Glee respects the music they put on their show and from time to time really have put a very good spin on them and make them their own. "I want to hold your hand" by the Beatles is a very good example mentioned earlier where they took a song and made it their own which works best when in context with the show.

It is sappy entertainment.. no need to deny or argue about it but for every "serious" drama show you need something fun and Glee works perfect in that regard.

 

[bigdaddy]

^ Are you saying Glee is a serious drama show? Or even a drama?

He should have came out and said...

"I regret their choice, I'd love to talk to them about how I picture using their music".

Does he think bullying them, that's exactly what he is do, is going to get them to change their minds?

 

[Starbreaker]

Kings of Leon sucks anyway. They (and The Script) need to go jump off a bridge.

 

[FPAlpha]

^ Are you saying Glee is a serious drama show? Or even a drama?

He should have came out and said...

"I regret their choice, I'd love to talk to them about how I picture using their music".

Does he think bullying them, that's exactly what he is do, is going to get them to change their minds?

No.. you misunderstood (or i was unclear). I'm saying that for every Battlestar Galactica (just an example) you need something light and fun and Glee fills that role.

And i agree with you.. he needs to come down and not take a rejection personally.

 

[Trekker4747]

I mean, he realizes he's the creator of Glee, right? It's hardly a high-art, high-brow show everyone is just clamoring to be on. I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy the show -mostly because of Jane Lynch- but let's get real here. It's no Gone with the Wind: The Series.

 

[the G-man]

The worst part is that kids are growing up with the impression that the songs on Glee are better than the originals.. My 13 year old daughter already thinks that about a bunch of songs she's heard on the show..

That's been the case with kids and remakes since at least the 1950s.

 

[the G-man]

Link

This is getting ugly... Murphy is pulling the homophobe card.

Oh for crying out loud!

Grow up murphy

I didn't even realize the creator of Glee was gay until this. Man, what a jackass.

 

[kitkat]

I love Kings of Leon (great in concert!) and I also love Glee (although, the quality is down a bit this season, IMO).

I think Nathan Followill should have probably taken the high road and not made a comment, BUT, Murphy is the one who should have let it the frak go! Not everyone is going to bow down at the Glee altar; artists have a perfect right to decide who uses their music.

And about Nathan's comment, Murphy shouldn't dish out the F-word if he can't take the fallout from it. Just sayin'.

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

Kings of Leon suck now. Latest release is a sellout. Their debut and third releases are still my favs.

But Murphy really should understand that some bands don't want their music on Glee, and concentrate on the ones that do.

 

[kitkat]

Kings of Leon suck now. Latest release is a sellout. Their debut and third releases are still my favs.

Awwwww, I actually like their new album. I like Because of the Times and Only By the Night best but I think their new one is pretty good too.

 

[bigdaddy]

^ Are you saying Glee is a serious drama show? Or even a drama?

He should have came out and said...

"I regret their choice, I'd love to talk to them about how I picture using their music".

Does he think bullying them, that's exactly what he is do, is going to get them to change their minds?

No.. you misunderstood (or i was unclear). I'm saying that for every Battlestar Galactica (just an example) you need something light and fun and Glee fills that role.

And i agree with you.. he needs to come down and not take a rejection personally.

Ohhh..

I agree, Glee is a fluff comedy, it's overrated but used to be a lot of fun.

But no matter the show, Ryan Murphy is acting like an ass. That's something we can all agree with! See he's bringing the world together... against him!

 

[IndyJones]

What does "go buy a new bra" mean if it doesn't have to do with insulting Murphy because he's gay?

 

[bigdaddy]

What does "go buy a new bra" mean if it doesn't have to do with insulting Murphy because he's gay?

That he is being a drama queen, that he's acting like a "girly man", that he should grow some balls. You can be all and still be straight. No every fucking insult to a gay guy is homophobic. Ryan Murphy is just bat shit crazy and deserves whatever is thrown at him.

 

[gblews]

I quite enjoy Glee. But I have read that Ryan Murphy is prone to tantrums and other such foolishness. Hard to believe he could get this upset over the Kings of Leon. Surely they are not the only copyright owners who have turned the show down.

But I do understand what he implies about the band maybe not seeing the bigger picture. Whether they like the show or not, having their song showcased on Glee is a strong business move. Simply put, it moves product. I read an article just yesterday about how songs that appear on Glee always generate sales for the original artist's version of the song in addition to the royalties generated from the Glee cast sales.

I'de be willing to bet the band simply didn't know how popular the show is, either that or maybe they don't understand the game of "hits". For a working musician making his living in pop music, it is hard to fathom saying no to an advertising vehicle with the power of "Glee".

 

[Professor Zoom]

I quite enjoy Glee. But I have read that Ryan Murphy is prone to tantrums and other such foolishness. Hard to believe he could get this upset over the Kings of Leon. Surely they are not the only copyright owners who have turned the show down.

But I do understand what he implies about the band maybe not seeing the bigger picture. Whether they like the show or not, having their song showcased on Glee is a strong business move. Simply put, it moves product. I read an article just yesterday about how songs that appear on Glee always generate sales for the original artist's version of the song in addition to the royalties generated from the Glee cast sales.

Perhaps the Kings of Leon don't view their music as a product to be moved. Like t-shirts or shoes. Maybe they think their work is art.

(I wouldn't know, I can't tell if I've ever heard a song by them or not.)

I'de be willing to bet the band simply didn't know how popular the show is, either that or maybe they don't understand the game of "hits". For a working musician making his living in pop music, it is hard to fathom saying no to an advertising vehicle with the power of "Glee".

Or maybe they don't care. Again, they might view their work differently.

I'm sure they know and understand the game of "hits." But they just might not be interested in playing that game.

It's like when Pearl Jam stopped making videos.... most viewed that as a dumb idea. Didn't stop them from selling music.

Maybe they have integrity. By that I mean, they view their work as something and putting on Glee would diminish it in their eyes. And they aren't willing to do certain things no matter what the cash reward might be.

(And I don't mean to say those who DO put their music on Glee don't have integrity.... Britney wants to sell a lot of pop records, it makes total sense that she would put her music on glee. Integrity for each and every artist has to be self defined, what you will and won't do...)

 

[gblews]

But I do understand what he implies about the band maybe not seeing the bigger picture. Whether they like the show or not, having their song showcased on Glee is a strong business move. Simply put, it moves product. I read an article just yesterday about how songs that appear on Glee always generate sales for the original artist's version of the song in addition to the royalties generated from the Glee cast sales.

Perhaps the Kings of Leon don't view their music as a product to be moved. Like t-shirts or shoes. Maybe they think their work is art.

(I wouldn't know, I can't tell if I've ever heard a song by them or not.)

I'de be willing to bet the band simply didn't know how popular the show is, either that or maybe they don't understand the game of "hits". For a working musician making his living in pop music, it is hard to fathom saying no to an advertising vehicle with the power of "Glee".

Or maybe they don't care. Again, they might view their work differently.

I'm sure they know and understand the game of "hits." But they just might not be interested in playing that game.

It's like when Pearl Jam stopped making videos.... most viewed that as a dumb idea. Didn't stop them from selling music.

Maybe they have integrity. By that I mean, they view their work as something and putting on Glee would diminish it in their eyes. And they aren't willing to do certain things no matter what the cash reward might be.

(And I don't mean to say those who DO put their music on Glee don't have integrity.... Britney wants to sell a lot of pop records, it makes total sense that she would put her music on glee. Integrity for each and every artist has to be self defined, what you will and won't do...)

If it is true that they don't care about how much their music sells, as you imply here (I seriously doubt that you are correct in this belief), then the band may as well continue to decline primo promotional opportunities like Glee.

We'll see what this band is doing some years from now when they are no longer practically guaranteed a spot on the charts simply by releasing new material.

This sort of reminds me of years ago when Michael Jackson asked Boy George to record a song with him. George (reportedly) turned Jackson down. At the time, Culture Club was flying high. A few years later, and I mean just a few, George would have jumped at the chance to do a song with Michael. George didn't understand the game of hits.

Paul McCartney on the other hand, did. He did at least 2 songs with Michael. Both charted and one went to number 1 (I think). Both of the songs were insipid crap but they were "hits".

I really hope the Kings of Leon had a really good reason for turning down Glee. I would hate to see a good band like this fall on hard times, and they will, like all pop acts eventually do, and look back with regret.

 

[Professor Zoom]

But I do understand what he implies about the band maybe not seeing the bigger picture. Whether they like the show or not, having their song showcased on Glee is a strong business move. Simply put, it moves product. I read an article just yesterday about how songs that appear on Glee always generate sales for the original artist's version of the song in addition to the royalties generated from the Glee cast sales.

Perhaps the Kings of Leon don't view their music as a product to be moved. Like t-shirts or shoes. Maybe they think their work is art.

(I wouldn't know, I can't tell if I've ever heard a song by them or not.)

I'de be willing to bet the band simply didn't know how popular the show is, either that or maybe they don't understand the game of "hits". For a working musician making his living in pop music, it is hard to fathom saying no to an advertising vehicle with the power of "Glee".

Or maybe they don't care. Again, they might view their work differently.

I'm sure they know and understand the game of "hits." But they just might not be interested in playing that game.

It's like when Pearl Jam stopped making videos.... most viewed that as a dumb idea. Didn't stop them from selling music.

Maybe they have integrity. By that I mean, they view their work as something and putting on Glee would diminish it in their eyes. And they aren't willing to do certain things no matter what the cash reward might be.

(And I don't mean to say those who DO put their music on Glee don't have integrity.... Britney wants to sell a lot of pop records, it makes total sense that she would put her music on glee. Integrity for each and every artist has to be self defined, what you will and won't do...)

If it is true that they don't care about how much their music sells, as you imply here (I seriously doubt that you are correct in this belief), then the band may as well continue to decline primo promotional opportunities like Glee.

I'm not saying they don't care how MUCH their music sells, but HOW their music is sold. They don't want to be associated with Glee, maybe they feel it makes them "sell outs" or "teeny boppers", I don't know.

But, that doesn't mean they would turn down appearing on Saturday Night Live (a "primo" promotional opportunity)

I'm just suggesting the possibility that they have a different view towards their music than say Britney Spears.

We'll see what this band is doing some years from now when they are no longer practically guaranteed a spot on the charts simply by releasing new material.

I'm sure they understand that.

This sort of reminds me of years ago when Michael Jackson asked Boy George to record a song with him. George (reportedly) turned Jackson down. At the time, Culture Club was flying high. A few years later, and I mean just a few, George would have jumped at the chance to do a song with Michael. George didn't understand the game of hits.

It could have also have been George's raging heroin addiction. That didn't really help his career.

We don't know if George didn't understand the "game of hits" or not.

Paul McCartney on the other hand, did. He did at least 2 songs with Michael. Both charted and one went to number 1 (I think). Both of the songs were insipid crap but they were "hits".

Paul had a few fits as a solo artist before Michael Jackson.

And those songs were good hooky fun.

I really hope the Kings of Leon had a really good reason for turning down Glee. I would hate to see a good band like this fall on hard times, and they will, like all pop acts eventually do, and look back with regret.

I hope they did too. And it might be what I'm suggesting--they don't want their music sold in this way. For them it might be about not selling out their art for a quick buck.

They have made millions, and, if they are on "hard times", not being a Glee was not the biggest mistake they made. Not investing or saving their money would be.

 

[Level 2 Diagnostic]

I hate to render a good chunk of this debate pointless, but you guys do realize that Kings of Leon allowed "Use Somebody" to be performed on NBC's Sing-Off, right?

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu8CidOHkS0[/yt]

I think it really was all about timing. The Glee request came at a time when the song was being overplayed/overexposed, so they turned it down. The Sing-Off request came along a year later and they were fine with it.

I honestly don't think KOL have a problem with Glee being too cheap or gay or silly or commercial, because The Sing-Off is just as cheap/gay/silly/commercial as Glee... It's basically Glee: The Reality Show.

The "buy a new bra" comment was childish, but then again, they were responding to a guy who told them to fuck off and called them self-centered assholes, which was just as childish.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I hate to render a good chunk of this debate pointless, but you guys do realize that Kings of Leon allowed "Use Somebody" to be performed on NBC's Sing-Off, right?

Nope. Don't watch Sing off either. Or listen to the band.

Just offering a different possibility.

ah well.

 

[AJBryant]

This just makes me hate Glee and everything like it just a little bit more.

This. Oh, dear Lord, THIS.

It's really hard to hope to make social strides and "raise awareness" when one acts in every conceivable way like the worst type of "drama queen" stereotype.