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Ghostly Encounters

Oh and there's my Tsunami story too. Boxing Day 2004. The only time I've ever seen it Snowing on christmas Day (in Devon), so first thing next day I went out for a walk before it cleared. I never go out for random walks like that, especially not in the early hours! But I did, and ended up in the local graveyard. It was so peaceful, so quiet, I genuinely thought to myself, there could be a disaster the other side of the world and I'd no nothing about it. And really didn't. No TV, Radio, Internet, no human contact - nothing between sleeping that night and going for that walk less that 8 hours later. Its just a remarkable odd, but exact thought to have had there and then.

And theres probably a dozen times a year I randomly think of actors/celebrities, then within a few days I've heard they've died, or lately I've randomly been thinking about different foods, get home and find they are cooking!

Ah, the phenomenon known as "coincidence." I have it from time to time as well. I'm sitting in traffic, listening to the radio, and suddenly I think about Katy Perry! And all of a sudden, I hear "Part of Me" or "Fireworks" or "Wide Awake" or "The One That Got Away," realizing full well that Katy Perry has dozens of hit records playing on various radio stations at any given time!

Or how about this? Last week I was glued to the TV, watching the Olympic swimming events and my idol, Michael Phelps. I was thinking, "By gollie! He's the greatest. Would be nice to see the VISA commercial narrated by Morgan Freeman talking about one hundredth of a second being faster than the speed of lightning and lightning striking twice." Guess what happened next.


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^I'm American Indian. We are not make-believe.

:guffaw:You are soooo witty. ;)

I used to be a sucker for ghost stories when I was growing up in another country. Then of course, it was a rural part of the country populated by superstitious people, with a culture rich in its own folklore and legends. There were tales of ghosts and enchanted mythical creatures. When I was a kid, I could've sworn my friend and I had seen an apparition walking in the dark at night while we were playing hide-and-seek. Somebody was probably trying to play tricks on us, or it could've been a neighbor walking without a flashlight.
 
But why not? Why not try to find out why you've experienced something? It's a lot more fun if you think about it and try to figure out what was really going on instead of just explaining it away with make-believe.

Exactly.

Another thing that could be involved in both our cases is confirmation bias: we remember the dreams that are predictive simply because they are predictive and forget all the predictions that didn't pan out.

A few things about whether confirmation bias is involved.

One thing that comes to mind is that I'm hard-pressed to find other similar examples in my personal experience. My example really occupies a population of one, as the relationship I had with the people in question was unique, and the circumstances were major and life-altering. Additionally, the notion of confirmation bias seems more applicable to, say, someone claiming to be a psychic and making a large number of purported predictions, than to someone struck by a single or even a small number of serendipitous events.
I should have qualified my last post by saying that I thought confirmation bias unlikely given the specifics of this case, I was more just throwing it out there as a possibility -- because I agree with everything you said! :)
^I'm American Indian. We are not make-believe.

:guffaw:You are soooo witty. ;)
:) In all seriousness, though, if I am a little touchy, it's because you couldn't believe some of the ridiculous notions people have about Native Americans! And probably the worst group when it comes to this are the true believers, who associate magic with Indians.
^Because he doesn't seem to know what science is.

Emoborg, you are the only person here being rude, closed-minded, and insulting. I have bent over backward to be neither dismissive nor mean when offering my perspective, and have even shared two of my own eerie experiences as a show of good will, and your only reaction is to throw whiney little temper tantrums whilst covering your ears and complaining "pseudo psychology!" Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's pseudo science, and your whinging is only evidence of how ignorant you are of how the brain functions. As I said, one of my degrees is in psychology, I know what I'm talking about. So stop insulting me, you're only making yourself look bad.

Several people here have expressed interest in the science behind their experiences, and so they will talk about it. It doesn't preclude anyone from sharing a ghost story. Conversation has a life of its own, and you don't get to dictate it.

Show me your degree in psychology and i will stop calling your analysis "pseudo psychoanalysis". :) Who says i am not willing to compromise.
You aren't worth the time it'd take my mother to email the photo (she has it on her wall, next to my other degree, my older sister's degree in design and my little sister's degree in mixology, which is by far the coolest degree of all of them -- she can even do the fancy shit like twirling the bottles and throwing and catching them!). Anyway, how about just not being rude and nasty because you'll be a better person for it? I've tried to be nice to you, I've shared as many ghost stories in this thread as anyone else. So, what's your problem?
Or you could lay off the logical fallacies (you're racking up quite a few, ad ignorantiam and ad hominem being the two you're most guilty of) and see if you can find a single claim I've made that is not deemed true by scientific consensus? If you can do that, you might be worth more of my time.
 
Or you could lay off the logical fallacies (you're racking up quite a few, ad ignorantiam and ad hominem being the two you're most guilty of) and see if you can find a single claim I've made that is not deemed true by scientific consensus? If you can do that, you might be worth more of my time.

okay i am not worth your time. I can live with that. May i suggest you stop posting your pseudo psychoanalysis in this thread that i started. Since after all i am not worth your time and that includes my thread. You are wasting your time by posting in this thread started by Emoborg.

There is nothing wrong with a thread titled Ghostly Encounters to contain stories about the supernatural. It should not contain pseudo psychoanalysis postings as that diverts from the thread's original intentions.

I want to read about ghost stories. Not your pseudo psychoanalysis. It is boring me.Yawn.
(just imagine i spoke to you in a valley girl accent with the last sentence) :)
 
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Or you could lay off the logical fallacies (you're racking up quite a few, ad ignorantiam and ad hominem being the two you're most guilty of) and see if you can find a single claim I've made that is not deemed true by scientific consensus? If you can do that, you might be worth more of my time.

okay i am not worth your time. I can live with that. May i suggest you stop posting your pseudo psychoanalysis in this thread i started. Since after all i am not worth your time and that includes my thread.

I don't know why but somehow you remind me of someone who stays in a guest house even after the owner wants that person to leave.

I want to read about ghost stories. Not your pseudo psychoanalysis. it is boring me. You are very boring to me.Yawn.

EmoBorg... this thread isn't your personal property just because you started it. You're not the thought police. If you can't handle -discussion- on a board dedicated to it, maybe -you- are in the wrong place.
 
Or you could lay off the logical fallacies (you're racking up quite a few, ad ignorantiam and ad hominem being the two you're most guilty of) and see if you can find a single claim I've made that is not deemed true by scientific consensus? If you can do that, you might be worth more of my time.

okay i am not worth your time. I can live with that. May i suggest you stop posting your pseudo psychoanalysis in this thread that i started. Since after all i am not worth your time and that includes my thread.

There is nothing wrong with a thread titled Ghostly Encounters to contain stories about the supernatural. It should not contain pseudo psychoanalysis postings as that diverts from the thread's original intentions.

I want to read about ghost stories. Not your pseudo psychoanalysis. It is boring me.Yawn.

Trust me, you are providing far more entertainment than your thread would have done, had it gone to plan ;)
 
Or you could lay off the logical fallacies (you're racking up quite a few, ad ignorantiam and ad hominem being the two you're most guilty of) and see if you can find a single claim I've made that is not deemed true by scientific consensus? If you can do that, you might be worth more of my time.

okay i am not worth your time. I can live with that. May i suggest you stop posting your pseudo psychoanalysis in this thread that i started. Since after all i am not worth your time and that includes my thread.

There is nothing wrong with a thread titled Ghostly Encounters to contain stories about the supernatural. It should not contain pseudo psychoanalysis postings as that diverts from the thread's original intentions.

I want to read about ghost stories. Not your pseudo psychoanalysis. It is boring me.Yawn.

Trust me, you are providing far more entertainment than your thread would have done, had it gone to plan ;)

:guffaw: Indeed!
 
I've been observing and reading this thread for a few days now. I had a really, really good family ghost story that I think would have knocked EmoBorg's socks clean off and gotten some applause. But I was also going to suggest an alternative explanation for the events in the story just to offer a little something for both sides in here. Mystery. And scientific conjecture.

But EB has sabotaged his own thread and I don't see the point anymore. If you want open and democratic participation in a thread you have to let people participate, even if it means somebody posting some scientific theories you find boring and annoying. Attempting to shut down and censor people isn't polite nor cool and so out of respect for the others in here I'm not posting the story.
 
thestrangequark

Well you can post what ever you want. I am not gonna say anything about it now. I am ex military and when we post on military forums, we tend to stick to what the topic title says. I guess civilian forums are far more open and ad hoc. I shouldn't try to control the postings here.

I apologise to you thestrangequark

(EmoBorg goes back to his Borg Cube and prepares to assimilate another planet):)
 
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^Well, that was unexpected...I accept your apology. So, we can get back to the fun stuff, the ghost stories and the science? Cool!
 
Ah, the phenomenon known as "coincidence." I have it from time to time as well. I'm sitting in traffic, listening to the radio, and suddenly I think about Katy Perry! And all of a sudden, I hear "Part of Me" or "Fireworks" or "Wide Awake" or "The One That Got Away," realizing full well that Katy Perry has dozens of hit records playing on various radio stations at any given time!

Well my example was of a natural disaster, which fortunately aren't occurring by the dozen, at any given time. And I've probably spent 20 minutes of my life in a cemetery in the past 10 years, so again not a common occurrence.

Funny enough I needed a photo of a wartorn room (don't ask) the other day, not the easiest (or pleasantest) of things to Google, and strangely there's not much online, tried fire damage, all sorts of odd searches. Then it occurs to me in the night - Earthquake! So I Google in the morning the first thing I see is there's just been a minor one in LA! Now obviously that is far more common, but at the same time its odd there was one at the one place in the US I've been to within hours of me thinking about one.

Oh sure its all coincidence - most cases you couldn't plan if you wanted to - but it doesn't mean they aren't frankly surreal.

Like once when I was reading credits in a CD, I saw one (uncommonly) named individual, then the next second a character on TV introduces himself with exactly the same name and surname!

Basically, what you're experiencing as reality is a reconstruction by your brain.

In deja vu it has been hypothesized that there's a bit of minor misfiring: Imagine every step in that process I just described happening except for the conscious reaction. Your senses perceived, your brain reconstructed a viable perception of reality, you processed that perception emotionally, but a little fluke stopped it from being processed consciously. No worries, because your brain is already doing it over again, senses perceive, brain reconstructs, you react emotionally and consciously. But now your conscious says, "Wait, this seems familiar..."

Pretty cool theory, huh?!
It's not sure it's quite like that with me, it's like I'm subconsciously aware of these little moments - weeks or months before they happen - like a loose bit of puzzle hanging around my brain. All of a sudden they slot into place and make perfect sense.

I had a vivid dream of going to visit a friend just a couple of days before her daughter killed herself. The dream was so vivid that it bothered me during the day after waking. Upon hearing of the death, the route I dreamed about, the one I had taken to see her before, was the one I followed.

I had a warning dream too once, though completely the opposite. In this dream someone whispered in my ear - 'she's pregnant'. Which woke me with a start, heart pounding. There was only one She it could be. One of my best friends, who I fancied rotten. So anyway, I say the next day 'I had the weirdest dream last night....' then she said don't breath a word, but she'd found out the night before she was. Even half her family didn't know. So the previous time I saw her, was she giving off signals even she didn't know about? Who knows. But it was nice of my subconscious to give me about 2 months notice before it became common knowledge.

One thing that does bother me a little is the last thing my nan said to me on her death bed. She either said jump, or she said don't jump. So if if I'm ever in a life or death situation where its an option, its going to play on my mind. The indecision could prove literally fatal!
 
Funny enough I needed a photo of a wartorn room (don't ask) the other day, not the easiest (or pleasantest) of things to Google, and strangely there's not much online, tried fire damage, all sorts of odd searches. Then it occurs to me in the night - Earthquake! So I Google in the morning the first thing I see is there's just been a minor one in LA! Now obviously that is far more common, but at the same time its odd there was one at the one place in the US I've been to within hours of me thinking about one.

Oh sure its all coincidence - most cases you couldn't plan if you wanted to - but it doesn't mean they aren't frankly surreal.

Like once when I was reading credits in a CD, I saw one (uncommonly) named individual, then the next second a character on TV introduces himself with exactly the same name and surname!
These are just coincidences, though, there's no reason to believe there's anything more to it than that that I can see.
Basically, what you're experiencing as reality is a reconstruction by your brain.

In deja vu it has been hypothesized that there's a bit of minor misfiring: Imagine every step in that process I just described happening except for the conscious reaction. Your senses perceived, your brain reconstructed a viable perception of reality, you processed that perception emotionally, but a little fluke stopped it from being processed consciously. No worries, because your brain is already doing it over again, senses perceive, brain reconstructs, you react emotionally and consciously. But now your conscious says, "Wait, this seems familiar..."

Pretty cool theory, huh?!
It's not sure it's quite like that with me, it's like I'm subconsciously aware of these little moments - weeks or months before they happen - like a loose bit of puzzle hanging around my brain. All of a sudden they slot into place and make perfect sense.
That's not deja vu, though. This theory is specifically about the cause of deja vu.
 
Anyway, everybody knows deja vu is when they change something in the Matrix...

Anyway, everybody knows deja vu is when they change something in the Matrix...:evil:

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