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Re: Ghostbusters reboot: Yes, it has WOMEN

Emilia, not so wounded as we were led to belieeeeve...so much the better.

Hold on, Emila, I think my vocabulary is pretty good, but I gotta check my dictionary for a second...

Ah, let's see:

pejorative: disparaging or downgrading.

Ok, got it.

Now, back to topic, let's check the definition of chick...let's see.

Uh-huh.

Slang. young woman or girl.

That's intellectually lazy.

Chick:
3. Slang: Often Offensive. a term used to refer to a girl or young woman.

Source

As you can see dictionaries tend to disagree with each other. And why is that? Because language changes and actually isn't simply defined by dictionaries. Apparently plenty of people here and elsewhere have noticed the derogatory use of the term, too.
You can't hand wave that away by quoting one dictionary.

Who called you hysterical?

In case you missed it I'm having fun with the fact that somebody called my post "outraged" so I'm exaggerating for effect.
Hint: I don't actually drown men in my menstrual blood.*




* At least there's no proof.

This grows tiresome. Now you must ASK to stay.



Emilia, you must've had an aneurism when you saw Khan treating McGivers like that. :lol:
 
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Don't worry, Em, nothing a couple of sessions of electroshock therapy won't cure.

I'm trying to come up with ways for how to avoid that issue. How to voice mild criticism as a woman without being called hysterical:
- Do it while being naked?
- Not threaten to drown people in your menstrual blood?
- Add some typos so the man won't feel intellectually threatened?
- Change profile to appear male and deal with the "White Knight"-accusations?

I'm open to suggestions.
Yeah, I don't know where I got the "I must be outraged by something, so I'll be outraged by everything!" comment from.

But it's okay, go ahead and tell us how you're not really bothered by it, despite every single thing you post screaming otherwise.


First, yes, language most DEFINITELY changes. You're the ones who are refusing to see that.

Second, clearly you didn't actually read your link. Or, more correctly, you failed to notice the words "often" and "usually." Hint: Those aren't synonyms for "always."

Third, it is okay as a general rule because "chick flick" is a general fucking term in common usage. The only people who make it offensive are those so desperately eager to be offended that they make a big deal out of it. Hint: That's people like you.

Likewise, any word can be offensive or pejorative. "Girl" or "woman" can be used just as easily as "chick" in any -- literally any -- declaration someone makes if they're intending their comment to be offensive.

Finally, you don't have the right to not be offended. Crying and weeping in response to anything and everything that upsets or insults you personally is just pathetic, especially when its something as absolutely minor and inoffensive as a term like "chick flick."


Yes, it really is the only reason its called a "chick flick." It's cute, memorable, and catchy. Feel free to come up with a variation that uses a largely innocent term for "man" that also rhymes. Personally, I can't think of any movie-related rhymes for "dude," "guy," or even "metrosexual." If you succeed, however, I guarantee it'll catch on, too.

For those interested in how the term 'chick flick' came to be, there's this, from http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/chick-flick.html [underlining mine]:

<A bunch of interesting stuff>

By 1995, 'chick flick' was well established. In December that year The Syracuse Herald Journal ran a review piece in which they invited a group of young women to review two recent films by Demi Moore. That included comments on the film Now and Then, starring Demi Moore and Melanie Griffith, reviewed by Katie Racculia:

"For guys, it's just another mind numbing 'chick flick.' But for us, the members of the fine female sex, 'Now and Then' is a funny, touching story where we can see a bit of ourselves and our friends in the characters."​
The intended put-down could hardly be plainer. :shrug:
First, did you even read the first line of that article? Here, let me quote it for you: "A film with characterization and storylines that appeal especially to women." Oh, the offense! The tragedy! The horror! I'm drowning in menstrual blood!

Second, I love how you completely cut out the rest of the article, all of which shows just how innocent the term is. And what you did post? Shows women using the term with a negative connotation, not men, and worse? They're putting the words into a man's mouth simply because of...

Third, yes, "chick flick" is often used with distaste by a lot of guys. In exactly the same way a lot of women roll their eyes at movies aimed at guys. I'll repeat that: In exactly the same way a lot of women roll their eyes at movies aimed at guys. Not because they're using "chick" as some kind of offensive term, but because those types of movies are not in any way appealing to them. Their insulting the type of movie, not women.

Does that make "guy movie" an offensive term? It should, shouldn't it? No matter who says it, why they say it, or how they say it.

If not, you're just being a massive hypocrite.

tl;dr

That's quite a hill you've chosen to die on, though. :)
 
Re: Ghostbusters reboot: Yes, it has WOMEN

For those interested in how the term 'chick flick' came to be, there's this, from http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/chick-flick.html [underlining mine]:

<A bunch of interesting stuff>

By 1995, 'chick flick' was well established. In December that year The Syracuse Herald Journal ran a review piece in which they invited a group of young women to review two recent films by Demi Moore. That included comments on the film Now and Then, starring Demi Moore and Melanie Griffith, reviewed by Katie Racculia:

"For guys, it's just another mind numbing 'chick flick.' But for us, the members of the fine female sex, 'Now and Then' is a funny, touching story where we can see a bit of ourselves and our friends in the characters."​
The intended put-down could hardly be plainer. :shrug:
First, did you even read the first line of that article?
Why, yes. Yes, I did read the whole article.

Second, I love how you completely cut out the rest of the article
I cut out sections of the article? You mean that I linked to the whole article, while referring to the part I didn't quote as interesting, right?

As for what I elected to quote from it, the first citation for "chick flick" (you know, the term actually in question) was the citation I posted (besides the earlier reference to a different type of sexually exploitive film altogether).

, all of which shows just how innocent the term is. And what you did post? Shows women using the term with a negative connotation, not men, and worse? They're putting the words into a man's mouth simply because of...

Third, yes, "chick flick" is often used with distaste by a lot of guys.
Well, to that last point, yes exactly. The citation I quoted demonstrates exactly that, circa 1995, the term was understood to carry that pejorative sexist connotation. The term was both put in scare quotes and qualified as mind numbing by the author, clearly I believe to indicate just that and emphasize the subtext. The woman who wrote that knew that the term carried that subtext, absolutely yes.

Does that make "guy movie" an offensive term? It should, shouldn't it? No matter who says it, why they say it, or how they say it.

If not, you're just being a massive hypocrite.
Well, this however at last raises an interesting point. The term "guy" itself isn't injecting sexist baggage into the compound term, but "guy movie" is at least an exercise in stereotypes, just as "click flick" is.

And I'll unpack it further. I reject the assumption that as a male I must like certain kinds of movies, such as action movies of the Rambo variety. Sure, I like many action movies including First Blood (the other Rambo films not so much), but I don't gravitate to "guy movies" to the exclusion of all other genres. I like some so-called chick flicks. I also like My Dinner with Andre.

If I'm expected to like "guy movies" just because I'm a guy, yeah I find that prejudiced; I've been known to react negatively when people act surprised because I don't fit into their pigeonholes.
 
Re: Ghostbusters reboot: Yes, it has WOMEN

Hey, I like some chick flicks too: "What Women Want", "Titanic", and---dare I say---I actually enjoyed "The Devil Wears Prada".

::waits for the pointing, laughter, and smart-ass remarks to subside::














But sorry, "chick flick" isn't sexist any more than "guy movie" is.

Or maybe some women consider "chick flick" to be something "I can say, but you can't"?

Or maybe some people are too damn serious.
 
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Hey, I like some chick flicks too: "What Women Want", "Titanic", and---dare I say---I actually enjoyed "The Devil Wears Prada".

::waits for the pointing, laughter, and smart-ass remarks to subside::

That's part of it, though, isn't it? I know you're being kind of facetious, but there really shouldn't be a reason for any pointing, laughing, or smart-ass remarks directed at you or any other man if you're a guy who happens to like those movies. There really should be no need to qualify, validate, legitimize, or explain yourself if you like those movies.
 
Re: Ghostbusters reboot: Yes, it has WOMEN

Don't worry, Em, nothing a couple of sessions of electroshock therapy won't cure.

I'm trying to come up with ways for how to avoid that issue. How to voice mild criticism as a woman without being called hysterical:
- Do it while being naked?
- Not threaten to drown people in your menstrual blood?
- Add some typos so the man won't feel intellectually threatened?
- Change profile to appear male and deal with the "White Knight"-accusations?

I'm open to suggestions.
Yeah, I don't know where I got the "I must be outraged by something, so I'll be outraged by everything!" comment from.

But it's okay, go ahead and tell us how you're not really bothered by it, despite every single thing you post screaming otherwise.

Gee, I wonder. It certainly couldn't be from a desire to dismiss the opinions of a traditionally less privileged group whose opinion you disagree with.
 
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Yeah, I don't know where I got the "I must be outraged by something, so I'll be outraged by everything!" comment from.

Man, I do hope my clearly serious remark about drowning people in my menstrual blood didn't scare you to death.
Hell hath no fury like... uh... a woman having fun on an internet forum.
Or something?

But it's okay, go ahead and tell us how you're not really bothered by it, despite every single thing you post screaming otherwise.

There was actually blood dripping from my laptop. It's the blood it sweats when I get close. The laptop is male.

Uh-huh.

Slang. young woman or girl.

That's intellectually lazy.

Chick:
3. Slang: Often Offensive. a term used to refer to a girl or young woman.

Source

As you can see dictionaries tend to disagree with each other. And why is that? Because language changes and actually isn't simply defined by dictionaries. Apparently plenty of people here and elsewhere have noticed the derogatory use of the term, too.
You can't hand wave that away by quoting one dictionary.

This grows tiresome.

Yeah, being wrong sucks donkey balls, doesn't it?

Emilia, you must've had an aneurism when you saw Khan treating McGivers like that. :lol:

Nah, I just roll my eyes like I do when I get to hear another of those smart pickup lines when going out.
To be fair I rarely meet genetically enhanced guys in clubs here so who knows...

tl;dr

That's quite a hill you've chosen to die on, though. :)

Emilia likes this.
 
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[lengthy frothing rant about something that's supposed to be no big deal]

You know, it rather gives the game away that you couldn't just disagree with Em and leave it at that; instead you had to go on the warpath as if she'd personally shown up at your house and urinated in your breakfast cereal by Having An Opinion.

We get it. You think she's mistaken about the implications of the term "chick flick." Not exactly the end of the world. Apart from that, your over-the-top aggressiveness and dismissiveness isn't exactly helping you.
 
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I'm not sure what I'm more excited for:

1) Ghostbusters starring Kristen Wigg and Kate McKinnon
2) Watching the male-privilege brigade shit a fucking brick for the next year or so.

Either way, I need to start popping that corn. :D
 
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I'm not sure what I'm more excited for:

1) Ghostbusters starring Kristen Wigg and Kate McKinnon
2) Watching the male-privilege brigade shit a fucking brick for the next year or so.

Either way, I need to start popping that corn. :D

Exactly.

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Whoever changed the thread title should have gone with "Ghostbusters reboot: this film has no dick".
 
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Apart from that, your over-the-top aggressiveness and dismissiveness isn't exactly helping you.
I really don't care. It doesn't change anything.

I did, however, think of a more succinct way of putting the whole thing: Pretty much the only people screaming and crying that "chick flick" is an offensive term are the very same people hellbent on being offended by the term. (Or worse, trying to show how "sensitive" they are by saying so.)

If you can't see why that's absolutely insane, well, there's not much else I can do to convince you of it. But rest assured, it is absolutely insane.

And, additionally, I challenge any one of you to find a post in this thread where I've said that I have issues with Ghostbusters featuring an all-female cast, that I think it's a chick flick, or that I have anything at all against chick flicks (especially since movies like Down With Love and Thelma & Louis are in my list of all-time favorite movies). The fact that people like you can't even separate that issue with someone who's annoyed by people constantly trying to find ways to be offended (and yes, "annoyed" and "offended" are different words) says a lot more than anything I can say on the subject.
 
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Dude. Just calm. Down.

{ Emilia } is not the violence inherent in the system. You are not being repressed. She disagreed with you about two words, the only person subsequently throwing a tantrum is you.

You don't have to be that guy. Let it go.
 
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Funkenstein, I didn't see anybody saying they're offended by the term "chick flick". I surely am not and I have said that at least twice. I raised a point I found interesting but it's still a minor point.

Don't be so over-emotional and angry just because there was some discussion about the term. Your choice of words clearly shows how much you're losing it while everybody else seemed to be having a good time. You're the only one who is turning this into a big deal.

Nobody is trying to oppress poor helpless men here. You're not going to drown.
 
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I really don't care.

See, that's what's known as a "lie."

And hey, maybe you'd like to quit projecting. The only person getting all worked up here is you, for some reason. Can't take a little challenge against using the term "chick flick." Nope, gotta get all bent out of shape like it's something deeply important to you.

They have pills for that kind of anxiety, these days.
 
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So, I wonder what the plot of the new film will be?

Any indications - other than the main villain being the spirit of a man who drowned in menstrual blood?
 
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I really don't care.

See, that's what's known as a "lie."

And hey, maybe you'd like to quit projecting. The only person getting all worked up here is you, for some reason. Can't take a little challenge against using the term "chick flick." Nope, gotta get all bent out of shape like it's something deeply important to you.

They have pills for that kind of anxiety, these days.

And clearly you're more than happy to continue pushing his buttons, and continue derailing the thread, just to prove how on-side you are with the board's female contingent. The more things change...
 
Re: Ghostbusters reboot: Yes, it has WOMEN

I really don't care.

See, that's what's known as a "lie."

And hey, maybe you'd like to quit projecting. The only person getting all worked up here is you, for some reason. Can't take a little challenge against using the term "chick flick." Nope, gotta get all bent out of shape like it's something deeply important to you.

They have pills for that kind of anxiety, these days.

And clearly you're more than happy to continue pushing his buttons, and continue derailing the thread, just to prove how on-side you are with the board's female contingent. The more things change...

Put me on ignore. :)
 
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So, I wonder what the plot of the new film will be?

Any indications - other than the main villain being the spirit of a man who drowned in menstrual blood?
I read the script, it's essentially a 90 minute speech by Wiig about all women freeing themselves from the oppression of men, she then crosses the streams and all men are banished to a ghost dimension. Then a Katy Perry song starts playing and they dance for 20 uninterrupted minutes.
 
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