Ghostbusters 2016: Talk about the movie(s).
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Believe me, there are plenty of liberal feminists who won't vote for Hilary, for a multitude of reasons. "Girl Power" seems to be wayyy more inclusive than that.
Although yes, there is still a staggering amount of difference between genders, the biggest issue I have here, is that this isn't about the movie anymore. It's become a statement. This movie may have started out as just a new Ghostbusters, but with all the comments going back and forth from all sides, the movie itself is no longer important. It's become the residual product now, and it seems more about making a point. And unless the idea behind this movie was to make a statement, and not a piece of fluff entertainment, I think it's about time EVERYONE got behind that again. Not just viewers, but also cast and crew.
Like Mr. Adventure said, the entire issue had died down, why start it all over again like this?
Yes, there is still a huge issue in Hollywood. Yes, this needs be adressed. Yes, a movie like this COULD actually really have an impact. But if you want an open, intelligent discussion about something and get the ball rolling, statements like this are not always the best way to make that happen.
Like Mr. Adventure said, the entire issue had died down, why start it all over again like this?
Yes, there is still a huge issue in Hollywood. Yes, this needs be adressed. Yes, a movie like this COULD actually really have an impact. But if you want an open, intelligent discussion about something and get the ball rolling, statements like this are not always the best way to make that happen.
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They shouldn't have to be quiet because someone might find what they're saying objectionable. They're not making the issue any more divisive than it was the moment people started saying "Ew, girls?! They can't be Ghostbusters!"
Never said they should be quiet.
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Then there shouldn't be any issue with them being open and direct. They're proud of their team of women, and stand behind the "Girl Power!" message.
Ok, we misunderstand eachother. Yes, in itself the statement is fantastic, and I do believe they should be proud. I am now more annoyed that what could be a great movie, is being overshadowed by all this back and forth about this issue. Both sides, for and against, had their say, and it died down. It appeared to me that everyone had accepted the other's views, and we could go back to the movie. But now, this happened, and it's bound to start all the backlash again. Which I hate. Not because this talented group of women is wrong, because they are the ones who are right, and the nay-sayers are in the wrong.
But right now, this statement comes acros to me as fueling a fire that had died down.
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The fire has never died down, and it won't; not now, not when the movie premieres, and not 20 years from now. There will always be people who believe that what women produce is inferior to that of men. Just read the opinions on female comedians for an idea of just how pervasive that is, no no, they can't let this die down. This needs to run all the way to the finish line. Believe me, the fire never died, it just shifted direction. The fire never dies.
That's right. Women's equality has been an issue my entire life, it was an issue before I was born, and I will go to my grave with it still an ongoing issue. Same thing for everyone alive right now.
I feel that much of the contempt shown for this movie is because it's changing the status quo. When this was first announced the only thing mentioned was "all-female cast" as if that was a higher priority than the story itself, if it was even written. Was the film going to be a remake or a continuation, scarier, funnier, edgier, modern, retro, would it be more verite or surreal? Nope, "all-female cast", that's all you will know for months.
If the same comments were being made about an original IP I'd be more inclined to find it more compelling. To my knowledge, there hasn't been much backlash to women in other movies. Hunger Games, Insurgent, Fury Road, etc. haven't seen much protest.
I haven't been following the project that deeply but I guess if enough vocal comment section idiots and social media twits have been barking and trolling along maybe it's worth the back-and-forth. Unfortunately, in the end it seems to reinforce that the significant thing about this movie is "all-female cast" rather than looking at it as a whole.
Just want to make clear I wasn't talking about the female rights. When I said the fire died down, I was talking about this movie specificly. I had the idea that the controversy some have about the concept died down, and people had become more accepting, finally.
I have no illusion about how long it is going to take for equality to finally be a thing. And I mean equality in the broadest sense of the word. Gender, skincolor, religion. For us to understand that we are all no different than the other, is something that will take a long, long time indeed.
And that, in short, is my biggest issue. I want more people talking about the movie right now, instead of simply just the cast. It's an all female case. That should now just be accepted for what it is, and let's all speculate about plot and such a bit more.
Not because female rights isn't worth talking about, but because that's such an incredibly difficult subject to begin with, that it's perhaps best left to a topic of its own, preferably in TNZ. And not this specific thread about a new movie.
A female President of the most powerful country in the world says so much more though and is a far better role model.
Yeah, but people should vote for Hilary because she's the person they feel is best for the job and not just because she's a woman. All of those women in that picture probably believe in "Girl Power" but some might not choose to back Hilary. Though if it comes down to choosing between Hilary and Trump.....well, thankfully there's a lot of time until the election.
Precisely. This is why Sarah Palin had zero chance of ever reaching the White House, as a VP candidate or for her own office, despite the need for more women in higher office leadership. The type of leader they'll be is equally important, and indeed a lot of Palin's platforms were decidedly anti-feminist.
And, whether I like GB3 will depend on—the novelty of it—how good a film I think it is, not how many women are in the main cast.
That's because she's a man.
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