Ghostbusters 2016: Talk about the movie(s).

[Trekker4747]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

I have no problem with these actresses, but I'm still having a hard time seeing the point in an entirely female-led Ghostbusters. Having a couple of women like Wiig or McKinnon on the team would be perfectly fine (and actually pretty cool), but making all four of them women?

It still just feels like a gimmick to me.

Is it a gimmick when the main characters in a movie are all male?

If Charlie's Angels became all male and that decision was made before casting even started, then yes I think it might be. From the start this has been reported as the "hook" for this remake/sequel.

That's pretty much it. If characters became female either through the writing process and that that made sense for the story or if a female actor audition for a part and they liked her so they changed a role to a female one to get her in those are all one thing.

But it's very much a gimmick to go into something and say, "all female Ghostbusters!" because it really begs the question on why the story calls for it when there's no story yet.

 

[Reverend]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

I have no problem with these actresses, but I'm still having a hard time seeing the point in an entirely female-led Ghostbusters. Having a couple of women like Wiig or McKinnon on the team would be perfectly fine (and actually pretty cool), but making all four of them women?

It still just feels like a gimmick to me.

Is it a gimmick when the main characters in a movie are all male?

If Charlie's Angels became all male and that decision was made before casting even started, then yes I think it might be. From the start this has been reported as the "hook" for this remake/sequel.

Not the best example since being an all female team was already a gimmick in 'Charlie's Angels' (or a novelty at the very least.)

Come to think of it it's hard to think of an example of a comparable all female cast where them being all female wasn't either intrinsic to the premise or a gimmick all it's own.

Is it a gimmick when the main characters in a movie are all male?

Depends on the movie. If they announced a Bridesmaids remake featuring all men, I think it would. Or a male version of Mean Girls. Or they decided to remake Thelma and Louise with a couple of dudes instead of women.

I certainly have no problem with female-led comedies or action movies or dramas, and watch them all the time. And I don't even care if the Ghostbusters are made up of all men or not (as I said before). But on the surface it just doesn't seem like there's much more to this current idea than "hey, wouldn't it be cool if they were all women this time?"

Instead of "Hey, what would be a good new Ghostbusters story to tell, and who are the best comedians around (men or women) that we could get to play them?", which to me would be the better way to approach it.

The movie is going to be a bit darker, with more horror elements than the originals. Plus, it has been 25 years since the last Ghostbusters movie, so a remake was inevitable. This isn't a gimmick just because it has four female leads.

Yeah, being all male was never a defining characteristic of the Ghostbusters to begin with, so flipping it around is not inherently a gimmick. That said, if handled poorly it can become a shallow gimmick. Time will tell.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

That's pretty much it. If characters became female either through the writing process and that that made sense for the story or if a female actor audition for a part and they liked her so they changed a role to a female one to get her in those are all one thing.

But it's very much a gimmick to go into something and say, "all female Ghostbusters!" because it really begs the question on why the story calls for it when there's no story yet.

This is male-centric thinking. You didn't question four guys as ghostbusters before a story was ever written, but four women? It must be a gimmick because why hire females when you don't know if you'll need them?

Next time you see a new movie proposed, think about how your brain analyses the information. If you find yourself not questioning a male role, but wondering what a woman is doing there without a solid storyline, you're doing it wrong.

Yeah, being all male was never a defining characteristic of the Ghostbusters to begin with, so flipping it around is not inherently a gimmick. That said, if handled poorly it can become a shallow gimmick. Time will tell.

Exactly. People should judge it on its own merits, not on the gender of its protagonists.

 

[Saul]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

That's pretty much it. If characters became female either through the writing process and that that made sense for the story or if a female actor audition for a part and they liked her so they changed a role to a female one to get her in those are all one thing.

But it's very much a gimmick to go into something and say, "all female Ghostbusters!" because it really begs the question on why the story calls for it when there's no story yet.

This is male-centric thinking. You didn't question four guys as ghostbusters before a story was ever written, but four women? It must be a gimmick because why hire females when you don't know if you'll need them?

Here we go again, jumping down people's throats for having an opinion. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say that if they rebooted 'Wonder Woman' and made her a man then Trekker4747 would also think it's a gimmick.

The thing about the original all male Ghostbusters was that there wasn't any Ghostbuster's movie before that. It wasn't a reboot. It was fresh and original.

If you're going to reboot a franchise and have your main selling point be that it's an all female cast that makes it fresh and original then yeah I would call that a gimmick.

 

[Sindatur]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

That's pretty much it. If characters became female either through the writing process and that that made sense for the story or if a female actor audition for a part and they liked her so they changed a role to a female one to get her in those are all one thing.

But it's very much a gimmick to go into something and say, "all female Ghostbusters!" because it really begs the question on why the story calls for it when there's no story yet.

This is male-centric thinking. You didn't question four guys as ghostbusters before a story was ever written, but four women? It must be a gimmick because why hire females when you don't know if you'll need them?

Here we go again, jumping down people's throats for having an opinion. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say that if they rebooted 'Wonder Woman' and made her a man then Trekker4747 would also think it's a gimmick.

The thing about the original all male Ghostbusters was that there wasn't any Ghostbuster's movie before that. It wasn't a reboot. It was fresh and original.

If you're going to reboot a franchise and have your main selling point be that it's an all female cast that makes it fresh and original then yeah I would call that a gimmick.

This could certainly be so, if they were gender flipping the original characters, but, that's not their intention is it? The intention to make the women all new characters in a later team, right? So, not quite the same thing. Maybe these arethe daughters of the original characters (Or a daughter of one original character and her Sorority Sisters). There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for why in this current time, the team is all female.

 

[Beagleman]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

Seriously, comparing the casting of Wonder Woman to Ghostbusters?

That's pretty much it. If characters became female either through the writing process and that that made sense for the story or if a female actor audition for a part and they liked her so they changed a role to a female one to get her in those are all one thing.

But it's very much a gimmick to go into something and say, "all female Ghostbusters!" because it really begs the question on why the story calls for it when there's no story yet.

This is male-centric thinking. You didn't question four guys as ghostbusters before a story was ever written, but four women? It must be a gimmick because why hire females when you don't know if you'll need them?

Next time you see a new movie proposed, think about how your brain analyses the information. If you find yourself not questioning a male role, but wondering what a woman is doing there without a solid storyline, you're doing it wrong.

Bingo!

 

[Trek Survivor]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

This is male-centric thinking. You didn't question four guys as ghostbusters before a story was ever written, but four women? It must be a gimmick because why hire females when you don't know if you'll need them?

Here we go again, jumping down people's throats for having an opinion. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say that if they rebooted 'Wonder Woman' and made her a man then Trekker4747 would also think it's a gimmick.

The thing about the original all male Ghostbusters was that there wasn't any Ghostbuster's movie before that. It wasn't a reboot. It was fresh and original.

If you're going to reboot a franchise and have your main selling point be that it's an all female cast that makes it fresh and original then yeah I would call that a gimmick.

This could certainly be so, if they were gender flipping the original characters, but, that's not their intention is it? The intention to make the women all new characters in a later team, right? So, not quite the same thing. Maybe these arethe daughters of the original characters (Or a daughter of one original character and her Sorority Sisters). There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for why in this current time, the team is all female.

It's been confirmed this isn't a "later team", or the daughters of any originals. This ISN'T in the same continuity - it's a brand new story, with no link to the originals.

 

[Richard Baker]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

The original Ghostbusters had a wonderful dynamic between the characters. Some of the characters will need to be rewritten a bit- I am trying to imaging a woman doing Bill Murray's role with no changes...

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

The original Ghostbusters had a wonderful dynamic between the characters. Some of the characters will need to be rewritten a bit- I am trying to imaging a woman doing Bill Murray's role with no changes...

But that's not what's happening, is it.

 

[EnriqueH]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

Will not be watching.

I got tricked into watching Bridesmaids and wanted to run out of the movie theater because it was a basically a chick-flick comedy.

(Free advice: When your female friends tell you "it's not a chick flick", believe me...*IT IS*. I can remember about 10-12 years ago I went on a date and the girl told me that "How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days" was NOT a chick-flick and I fell for it. Sure it's not. )

Anyway, I would've walked out of Bridesmaids if my wife and our friends weren't there.

So if the same talent behind Bridesmaids is behind Ghostbusters, I'm going to pass.

It's just not my style.

Further, I can remember Melissa McCarthy when she had a small part in the 1999 movie "Go", which is a movie I *love* from back in the day. She had a tiny part, but she was funny.

So when McCarthy hit the big time and became famous, I was happy for her.

But my God, I'm so tired of the "fat chick schtick". When my wife and our friends wanted to see The Heat, I was preparing for the worst, and it was very bit as bad as I feared. I actually closed my eyes and FORCED myself to fall asleep. (My wife and her girlfriend were FURIOUS at me.)

She HAS GOT to try different material.

 

[Sindatur]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

Here we go again, jumping down people's throats for having an opinion. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say that if they rebooted 'Wonder Woman' and made her a man then Trekker4747 would also think it's a gimmick.

The thing about the original all male Ghostbusters was that there wasn't any Ghostbuster's movie before that. It wasn't a reboot. It was fresh and original.

If you're going to reboot a franchise and have your main selling point be that it's an all female cast that makes it fresh and original then yeah I would call that a gimmick.

This could certainly be so, if they were gender flipping the original characters, but, that's not their intention is it? The intention to make the women all new characters in a later team, right? So, not quite the same thing. Maybe these arethe daughters of the original characters (Or a daughter of one original character and her Sorority Sisters). There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for why in this current time, the team is all female.

It's been confirmed this isn't a "later team", or the daughters of any originals. This ISN'T in the same continuity - it's a brand new story, with no link to the originals.

Ah, OK, I'm behind the times, last I heard they were aiming for a "Passing of the torch" film, but, it was in development hell. I wasn't aware we knew anything concrete about the movie so far.

 

[kirk55555]

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Have you seen Kate Mckinnon on SNL? She's actually really funny on the show, and that's why I think she'll be great in the movie.

I agree with you about McCarthy though.

Honestly, while I see a horrible modern SNL sketch now and again, I don't learn their names, so I don't if I've seen her before. But, I did go look up some of her SNL skits on youtube. Honestly...I'd almost rather see Rob Schneider, and that is not a statement I make lightly. Its fine if some people like it, but man I haven't seen anything that unfunny since, well, the last time I watched a modern SNL sketch.

I don't even get what they're going for. Is it that anti-humor I've heard about? Because the few examples I've seen of that I've hated. It just seems like, in the sketches I watched, you're supposed to laugh at how awkward the characters are, but they just aren't funny. When someone actually manages to do a Justin beiber impression that's about 1000x more annoying than the actual Justin Beiber, I guess I'm kind of impressed, but not entertained. The other sketch I can barely describe, because I almost went into a coma it was so not funny. So, yeah, McKinnon is definitely not a comedian I like, which means she fits the modern SNL very well. But, she's still less annoying than McCarthy, so that's something.

 

[Timby]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

Ah, OK, I'm behind the times, last I heard they were aiming for a "Passing of the torch" film, but, it was in development hell. I wasn't aware we knew anything concrete about the movie so far.

The "passing of the torch" movie was the one Sony had been trying to make since 1999, but the project died with Ramis.

I'm amused by everyone shitting all over this already before we know anything about the story, the characters or anything else. I get that people wanted one last ride with the original crew, but we were never going to get that. (Well, we might have gotten that with Hellbent back in '99, but that would have been so terrible it would have made GB2 look like a masterpiece.)

Of the original cast, one is dead, one wants nothing to do with his role and one is two hairs shy of being legitimately insane. Sony was going to make this movie one way or another, why not see what Feig & Co. come up with? Christ, you people are acting like they're just going to do a find-replace on the 1984 script and swap out all the guys for women and just shoot the exact same movie.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

I wonder if Rose Byrne will sign on to play the Sigourney Weaver character

 

[137th Gebirg]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

I'm amused by everyone shitting all over this already before we know anything about the story, the characters or anything else.

How long have you been a member at TrekBBS?

It's not just fun, it's our GOD GIVEN RIGHT!

But seriously, aside from the mild irritation that some people are experiencing about the producers making a big deal about it being an "all female cast" (as if this were something shockingly new and innovative...you'd think that H-Wood has gotten over themselves since the Sony hack!) the only real problem I see people having with this film is with Melissa McCarthy in particular, myself included. Her sad little one-trick pony routine better develop some serious depth in the next year or so, lest it drag down the whole film with her same tired old antics.

I personally couldn't give a rat's ass if they were all male, female, mixed or whatever. If they can act and give the franchise a good run and a breath of fresh air then awesome! The other three look like they can pull it off. What I've seen from McCarthy in the past, however, she could really wreck it for a lot of people.

 

[Aldo]

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Have you seen Kate Mckinnon on SNL? She's actually really funny on the show, and that's why I think she'll be great in the movie.

I agree with you about McCarthy though.

Honestly, while I see a horrible modern SNL sketch now and again, I don't learn their names, so I don't if I've seen her before. But, I did go look up some of her SNL skits on youtube. Honestly...I'd almost rather see Rob Schneider, and that is not a statement I make lightly. Its fine if some people like it, but man I haven't seen anything that unfunny since, well, the last time I watched a modern SNL sketch.

I don't even get what they're going for. Is it that anti-humor I've heard about? Because the few examples I've seen of that I've hated. It just seems like, in the sketches I watched, you're supposed to laugh at how awkward the characters are, but they just aren't funny. When someone actually manages to do a Justin beiber impression that's about 1000x more annoying than the actual Justin Beiber, I guess I'm kind of impressed, but not entertained. The other sketch I can barely describe, because I almost went into a coma it was so not funny. So, yeah, McKinnon is definitely not a comedian I like, which means she fits the modern SNL very well. But, she's still less annoying than McCarthy, so that's something.

Quite the predictable response from you.

Needless to say I disagree with you and I think Mckinnon is one of the two breakout female stars of current SNL (the other being Cecily Strong, who was rumored to be up for a role in this film a while back).

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

Quite the predictable response from you.

Needless to say I disagree with you and I think Mckinnon is one of the two breakout female stars of current SNL (the other being Cecily Strong, who was rumored to be up for a role in this film a while back).

I don't like the kind of comedy you do, so that's a "predictable response"? I'm glad you enjoy that kind of comedy, it doesn't matter to me either way. I'm not saying you can't. I obviously have a different taste in comedy, one that definitely doesn't match modern SNL. I thought McKinnon was unremarkable, not "good" but no worse than any of the other modern SNL members. I think Will Ferrel is probably the most recent SNL cast member I find funny at times (and he left SNL in 2002), and he's pretty hit or miss. You don't have to agree. A lot of people still love the show, and a lot of people probably don't. It doesn't bother me, its fairly easy to ignore SNL nowadays. I really don't have anything else to say on the topic. I don't like current SNL, and I don't like the people who work on it

 

[Ethros]

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This kinda sums up the internets reaction

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk[/yt]

 

[Taylirious]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhAz7JU0dg[/yt]

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ETA: I like Melissa McCarthy on Mike & Molly.

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Ghostbusters reboot: We're (almost, maybe, sorta) ready to believe

McKinnon is one of the best things on SNL right know. Her Bieber cracks me up.

Don't forget her depressed Russian peasant!

She's gives off a nicely lunatic, anarchic vibe that could work well in GHOSTBUSTERS.