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GEORGE LUCAS: What are his plans for the third trilogy?

ReadyAndWilling

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ok, so i've been reading about a third trilogy Lucas has plans.

i've never read any of the literature of how the universe looks after ROTJ. how have things changed? it seemed like he did everything with ep2 and especially ROTS. we saw a badass 4 lightsabre wielding cyborg, magna guards that could 'hang' with jedi in 1 on 1 combat, the unfolding story of vader and sideous.

what else can Lucas do for a trilogy set after ROTJ? i just don't see what else he can do? more advanced droids and technology? 6 lightsabre wielding fighters?

anyone know how a potential story could play out? what new technology we could see? new factions? i'm relishing the idea as i type this post.
 
He had no plans as far as we know. He's done with making Star Wars movies except in the way of continually tweaking and re-releasing the existing six.

He's also not getting any younger, so I think he's going to concentrate on Star Wars as a television franchise and perhaps do some non-Star Wars projects too.
 
ok, so i've been reading about a third trilogy Lucas has plans.

i've never read any of the literature of how the universe looks after ROTJ. how have things changed? it seemed like he did everything with ep2 and especially ROTS. we saw a badass 4 lightsabre wielding cyborg, magna guards that could 'hang' with jedi in 1 on 1 combat, the unfolding story of vader and sideous.

what else can Lucas do for a trilogy set after ROTJ? i just don't see what else he can do? more advanced droids and technology? 6 lightsabre wielding fighters?

anyone know how a potential story could play out? what new technology we could see? new factions? i'm relishing the idea as i type this post.

Thus what was wrong with the Star Wars Prequels (and Return of the Jedi even) in the first place. It was all about cool stuff happening at a mile per minute with no regard to telling a good story.
 
The only thing known is that at one point the "other" mentioned in ESTB was intended to be the main character of the Sequel Trilogy. But his plans for the sequels kept changing due to real life.
 
The only thing known is that at one point the "other" mentioned in ESTB was intended to be the main character of the Sequel Trilogy. But his plans for the sequels kept changing due to real life.


The idea has also been advanced that the 'other' was going to be the hero in a separate series of films directed and handled by someone else while George got on with making serious films.
 
The Sequel Trilogy came about because the popularity of the first movie caught Lucas by surprise. He was under pressure from the media to give hints about future films when he didn't have any, so he made up stuff to get the reporters off his back. The sequels were never actually going to be made. For a time, neither were the prequels.
 
The Sequel Trilogy came about because the popularity of the first movie caught Lucas by surprise. He was under pressure from the media to give hints about future films when he didn't have any, so he made up stuff to get the reporters off his back. The sequels were never actually going to be made. For a time, neither were the prequels.

I remember reading that he had a big 3-ring binder with the outlines for both 1-2-3 and 7-8-9, that it was all mapped out and ready to go. :lol:
 
I remember reading that he had a big 3-ring binder with the outlines for both 1-2-3 and 7-8-9, that it was all mapped out and ready to go. :lol:

Unfortunately for us, the binders were filled with only Julia Childe recipes, the user manual for an 8-track player, and a few scripts from the original Astro Boy black and white series.
 
This quote (from David cgc's link) is gold:

Mark Hamill said:
He said the first trilogy's darker, more serious. And the impression I got, he said, 'Um, how'd you like to be in Episode IX?' This is 1976. 'When is that going to be?' '2011.'

I'm not sure which amuses me more, the idea the prequel trilogy is darker than the original trilogy or that Episode IX is due this year.
 
Ugh, no more Star Wars if George Lucas in involved. That dude really fucked everything up.
 
Basically what plays out in the post-ROTJ series is that Luke rebuilds the Jedi Knights (Although he does encounter several problems on the way) Han and Leia settle down and start a family (That has it's share of problems, too), the Republic is reestablished, and the Empire tries a few times to gain their former strength. Also, Boba Fett is alive and (sort of ) well.


New characters include Corran Horn-an X-wing ace turned Jedi; Talon Kaarde, a career smuggler; Mara Jade, a woman who used to work for the Emperor with a vendetta against Luke which later changes into something else....


New villains include the popular Grand Admiral Thrawn, an expert tactician; Admiral Daala, a protege of Grand Moff Tarkin; and even a clone of the Emperor.


Later when the series shifts to Del Rey as publishers and the time after ROTJ reaches twenty years, there's a game-changer series The New Jedi Order, which features the Jedi and Republic up against a nearly invulnerable alien force. This series got mainly mixed reactions from fans.


There's also Legacy of the Force, which mainly retreads the films IMO by featuring another character going bad and another civil war.


The current series is Fate of the Jedi which I've heard is OK. There's also a far-future comic series called Star Wars Legacy that's worth a look, featuring the latest Skywalker, a reluctant heir to the Jedi legacy.


As for droids and new technology, most of it pretty much remains the same for the films although the Republic does dabble in Battle Droid technology, mainly in the second Dark Empire and the NJO.
 
he compressed his plans for a sequel trilogy into ROTJ. The other was supposed to be Luke's sister on the other side of the galaxy, not Leia. She was going to be featured in the sequels and the Emperor wouldn't show up in person until the last episode.

There are multiple quotes, and accounts from Hammil, Gary Kurtz, and others, talking about the planned sequel trilogy. I'm a little befuddled why Lucas is pretending like they were never planned. Just say that you folded those elements into ROTJ to end it.
 
There are multiple quotes, and accounts from Hammil, Gary Kurtz, and others, talking about the planned sequel trilogy. I'm a little befuddled why Lucas is pretending like they were never planned. Just say that you folded those elements into ROTJ to end it.
I think he's sincere. These movies were never planned. He may have thought about a sequel trilogy, he may have toyed with the idea for a bit, but ultimately it never materialized and no one actually worked on it in any capacity.
 
Thus what was wrong with the Star Wars Prequels (and Return of the Jedi even) in the first place. It was all about cool stuff happening at a mile per minute with no regard to telling a good story.
Except he forgot to put in the cool stuff. :rommie: Unless you mean John Williams' score...
what else can Lucas do for a trilogy set after ROTJ?
Here's one approach: extrapolate Anakin's story as an ongoing curse involving his kids. Vader can die, but the dark side doesn't die with him - it can't. It's eternal. This would involve rewriting the ending of ROTJ, but since I only liked the first half of that movie anyway, that's ok by me.

Instead of being off in Ewok-land, Leia needs to be aboard the new Death Star at the end - any why wouldn't she be captured at that point, since Vader must have figured out her identity pretty quickly after realizing that the twins survived? A daughter with the right looks adopted at exactly the right time by one of Padme's chief allies, gee, nothing suspicious about that. (I'd also loose the new Death Star angle - and place the final scene somewhere else - and ratchet back or lose the Ewoks as well, but that's just a bonus.)

Vader attacks the Emperor to save Luke. The Emperor fatally wounds Vader. Luke has the chance to kill the Emperor but realizing it's a trap to send him to the dark side, hesitates. But Leia doesn't - brushing off Luke's warnings, she shoots the Emperor, who dies realizing that he's gotten what he wanted - a chance for the dark side to continue its ascendancy, because now Leia has unwittingly "cursed" herself.

To Luke, the Force is a real thing with dangerous power, and its rules must be respected, especially by someone who is Force sensititve. To Leia, it's irrelevant mumbo jumbo and if you have a bastard like the Emperor in your blaster sights, you shoot. She respects that Luke believes in the Force, but that doesn't mean she does.

At first, the sequel trilogy seems triumphant. They're back on Coruscant, the remnants of the Empire are being defeated. As one of the leaders of the Rebellion, Leia has serious political power, maybe becomes Chancellor. But by now it's common knowledge that Luke is Vader's son, and even though he's trusted by the people who know him in the Rebellion, the vast majority of people aren't going to be so open-minded after the trauma they've experienced.

I would play up the angle that the Force is considered an actual religion - one that is now considered too dangerous to allow to exist. The only sure way to get rid of any possibility of the Sith is to get rid of the Jedi, too. So this becomes the policy of the new Republic, over Leia's objections.

The upshot is that Luke has to scram if he doesn't want to end up imprisoned, regardless of his sister's power. I'd have Han accompany Luke (at Leia's insistence) because Han is the right sort of guy to have along if you're trying to evade capture and survive by your wits.

There would be a parallel story of Luke and Han off having crazy ass adventures trying to evade the authorities - as well as Luke's attempt to find fellow Jedi (or anyone who is Force sensitive) and restore the Order in defiance of all prejudices against them.

Meanwhile back on Coruscant, Leia becomes increasingly annoyed and frustrated by the limitations of having to run a revived Republic which is going to have the same problems that the old one did, plus she's incensed at the ingrateful treatment that Luke has received and of course if it were ever known she's also Force sensitive, she'd be in real trouble. And if Vader could figure it out, so could her enemies.

The key here is that both the twins should have stresses heaped on them that makes it possible but not inevitable that they would turn to the dark side. Not knowing the outcome of this situation will keep audiences interested in the story throughout the three movies.

This gives the sequel trilogy a central dramatic engine - will history repeat itself with one (or both?) of the twins, and if so, which one? If they don't use this as the dramatic engine, I can't envision a story that would work instead. An external enemy doesn't really seem Star Warsy to me. (Granted, maybe I should read the Thrawn trilogy one of these days and see how well that works.)

This all comes from my theory that Star Wars is most Star Wars-y when it's based on fairy tales and mythology - the Emperor's curse that survives his death. If you veer from that basis (like the PT did, which had no mythical feel at all), then what you've got isn't Star Wars to me anymore. Unlike Star Trek, which is highly flexible and can embrace all sorts of stories, Star Wars seems to me like it's got to walk a very narrow line in order to maintain its unique identity.
 
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Thus what was wrong with the Star Wars Prequels (and Return of the Jedi even) in the first place. It was all about cool stuff happening at a mile per minute with no regard to telling a good story.
Except he forgot to put in the cool stuff. :rommie: Unless you mean John Williams' score...
These are very flawed movies, and isn't it fun to tear them apart, but I can't think of more than one or two space opera movies made in the last twenty years that were better than the prequels. You may argue that there's something inherently wrong with the genre, but I still think that there were lots of fun things in these movies: things like aliens, robots, monsters, laser swords, guns that go pwew-pwew, space princesses, spaceships, etc...
 
Well the whole space opera genre seems to be out of favor in the movies - I can't think of any space opera movies within the past couple decades at all off the top of my head - but there have been plenty of examples on TV, such as DS9, Farscape, Firefly and BSG.

(Oh right, Serenity counts as a space opera movie doesn't it? And that was far better than the PT, but really no better than the TV series was - I really think of its as an extrapolation of the TV series more than a standalone movie.)

Compare those TV series to the PT and Lucas comes off pretty badly. Robots and ray-guns have become too old-hat to count as cool in and of themselves. There's nothing inherently wrong with the space opera genre as long as there are solid characters and a worthwhile story.

However (I always have to say this in discussing the PT), The Clone Wars is doing a great job of telling a Star Wars prequel story that is actually a good story and utilizes the "cool" element that is unique to Star Wars, all the mystical hooey revolving around the Force.
 
Thus what was wrong with the Star Wars Prequels (and Return of the Jedi even) in the first place. It was all about cool stuff happening at a mile per minute with no regard to telling a good story.
Except he forgot to put in the cool stuff. :rommie: Unless you mean John Williams' score...

Well, What Lucas thought was cool stuff...

I mean the films were pretty visually dazzling and that's kind of what R&W was talking about as if the next set had to raise the bar with "cool stuff" and I think that is why the prequels failed. Lucas spend much of the script writing thinking up cool VFX than trying to have a coherent script that made sense and had good dialogue.
 
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