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Geordi is not really not that likeable of a character and it's really too bad

I didn’t mind Geordi during the show’s original run. Nowadays when you can binge rewatch the entire series, it often strikes me how often he’s…well, a bit of a dick.

I concur that season one Geordi was a lot better a character. I guess power does go to people’s heads because the moment he became chief engineer he became far more serious, less jovial and, outside of Sonia Gomez (who we really should have seen much more of), the way he treated subordinates was often pretty rough (he was really one for BARKING orders for a start).

He basically bullied Barclay in “Hollow Pursuits” and he bullied Scotty in “Relics” which was unforgivable for a number of reasons (sadly, I think the way Geordi viewed Scotty reflected the way Rick a Berman viewed TOS; it’s been documented that he saw it as an embarrassing, antiquated relic and far inferior to TNG).

His behaviour in “Galaxy’s Child” is borderline incel. Such an uncomfortable episode to rewatch, and so is the unfortunately named “Booby Trap” in retrospect. His reaction to Brahms feeling violated about his holodeck shenanigans? Getting angry at HER when she had every right to feel her privacy had been violated in a very intimate way. That showed such an unpleasant side to his character; and I somehow think the audience were meant to be on his side.

He was just such a creep around women. Levar Burton thinks Geordi’s lack of luck with women is motivated by racism on the part of the writers. I don’t see how it’s race related at all though. The character was basically a bit of a creep, very arrogant and prone to hypocrisy (his reaction to Barclay’s holodeck shenanigans mere weeks after romancing holo-Leah).

I also notice that across the series there are very few Geordi episodes that are actually much good. They tend to be a bit boring: “Aquiel” and “Interface” being two of the worst that come to mind. I like Levar Burton as an actor; he has an engaging quality about him, but the character not so much.
 
When Q loses his powers, interacting with Pulaski would have been so much more entertaining then just dealing with Beverly
I'd never considered that Q and Pulaski never interacted, as she wasn't in "Q Who." That would have been an interesting meeting.
 
I didn't enjoy Relics for a lot of other reasons, but them working it out wasn't one of them.

The idea that starfleet could run across a Dyson sphere and then just jet off and leave it at the end of the episode, and it is never mentioned again was one of the worst cases ever of Trek just abandoning something after introducing it.

A Dyson sphere could reasonably, by itself, house the entire population of the Federation, Klingon and Romulan Empires, and more. It should not have been the subject of a mere episode, but more like a 10-episode arc or even a show of its own.
 
I always found the taunting towards Barclay from the crew deplorable. With the exception of Data.I try not to think about to much. The weird thing is that Geordi being best friends with Data who he himself is socially awkward. But he does end up befriending him in the end. That said I like Geordi. The character as a whole could have done less with the romantic plots. And I love his friendship with Data.

ETA: I was so far in the future that people would act this way to social anxiety when we have made big strides even now. So, they should have been way more Enlightened.
 
The idea that starfleet could run across a Dyson sphere and then just jet off and leave it at the end of the episode, and it is never mentioned again was one of the worst cases ever of Trek just abandoning something after introducing it.

A Dyson sphere could reasonably, by itself, house the entire population of the Federation, Klingon and Romulan Empires, and more. It should not have been the subject of a mere episode, but more like a 10-episode arc or even a show of its own.

The Dyson sphere was not immediately useful for anything but research, as the star inside was highly unstable. And researching the thing properly (by specialised teams) probably would have taken decades.
 
I'm not a big Wesley fan, but I love the idea of having Wesley + Chief Engineer Doe of the Week downstairs, with Laforge as the helm officer. He would undoubtedly have deeply specialized knowledge of the propulsion systems, so he could still do 'engineer Geordi' things occasionally while having more command time and more of the back-and-forth with Data on the bridge. He wouldn't have had the same chance to run the holodeck to escape the power trap, so think of all the trouble that would have saved him. And we'd have gotten the more personable Geordi from S1, which leads me to this...

I will go a little easy on him being a jerk to Barclay. Tardiness and minor interpersonal squabbles are shop-floor-level issues. There's no way Geordi shouldn't be able to handle that as head of Engineering. This leads me to believe no one gave him more than the faintest leadership training. Frankly, for Riker to come in the snarly way he did was like getting the VP to go rage at a janitor and kind of belied a pettiness on Riker's behalf. Maybe Geordi was just emulating the behaviour he saw from his own leader?
 
I'd enjoy a follow up episode regarding the Dyson sphere. It's the most advanced engineering project the Federation has ever encountered.
 
I'm not a big Wesley fan, but I love the idea of having Wesley + Chief Engineer Doe of the Week downstairs, with Laforge as the helm officer. He would undoubtedly have deeply specialized knowledge of the propulsion systems, so he could still do 'engineer Geordi' things occasionally while having more command time and more of the back-and-forth with Data on the bridge. He wouldn't have had the same chance to run the holodeck to escape the power trap, so think of all the trouble that would have saved him. And we'd have gotten the more personable Geordi from S1, which leads me to this...

I will go a little easy on him being a jerk to Barclay. Tardiness and minor interpersonal squabbles are shop-floor-level issues. There's no way Geordi shouldn't be able to handle that as head of Engineering. This leads me to believe no one gave him more than the faintest leadership training. Frankly, for Riker to come in the snarly way he did was like getting the VP to go rage at a janitor and kind of belied a pettiness on Riker's behalf. Maybe Geordi was just emulating the behaviour he saw from his own leader?

I absolutely believe this, and its an under-rated point. I always have had to suspend disbelief slightly, thinking that this random bridge pilot is somehow qualified to, not just transfer to engineering, but to become the Chief Engineer of a Galaxy Class.... this falls into that category.

Wesley the wunderkid most definitely should have been doing an apprenticeship in engineering, not steering the ship and taking time away from a commissioned officer. That;s a funny thought, to keep rotating the engineering staff through, with Wesley being the permanent role. I would be okay with that for a few seasons, with an eventual promotion for Chief O'Brien.
 
Discounting one-off scenes where the script demanded Geordi being portrayed as somewhat unlikeable (like the already mentioned “Hollow Pursuits” or “Galaxy’s Child”) I always loved Geordi and he is in fact my favorite character from The Next Generation.
This is my opinion of Geordi as well. Geordi (thanks to LeVar Burton) is probably the most charismatic characters on the whole show, especially in its early seasons. I always found him a welcome part of the crew, and his relationship with Data really adds something to the ship dynamic that other characters don't have (and was the blueprint for future bromances).

Unfortunately, he does have a handful of episodes where he comes off really badly, as mentioned by others. I think it's normally fair to say that if a character has bad development then they're a bad character, except in the case of Geordi, I just don't believe what they're putting on screen. Take his date at the beginning of Booby Trap. Geordi is supposed to be striking out with this girl, but it just seems like the script is demanding Geordi to be unlikable there, none of his mannerisms nor his portrayal thus far would lead me to believe this would happen to him. It felt like the writers looked around the room, pointed at LeVar and said "this week, you're going to be awkward with women", and LeVar had to try and make it work.
 
Geordi is supposed to be striking out with this girl, but it just seems like the script is demanding Geordi to be unlikable there, none of his mannerisms nor his portrayal thus far would lead me to believe this would happen to him. It felt like the writers looked around the room, pointed at LeVar and said "this week, you're going to be awkward with women", and LeVar had to try and make it work.

I have a friend who is nice, easy going, charismatic. But when he has to talk to woman he changes in a bumbling fool.
 
I honestly think I would have preferred keeping Scotty and Spock's fates a mystery until we get there with a better crossover movie.


One of the greatest crimes of Generations (the greatest is Kirk's treatment) is that Spock, McCoy, and Scotty weren't present in both the 23rd and 24th century stories. Generations should have been "The Search For Kirk," with Spock sensing that Kirk didn't really die on the Enterprise-B. This would have especially worked if he and McCoy (and Scotty) were aboard for her maiden voyage and he sensed that Kirk wasn't killed. For almost a century, he believes he was really just giving in to his emotions by denying Kirk's death. When the Nexus passes by Romulus, he becomes certain Kirk is alive somehow. The Enterprise-D is assigned to extract Spock from Romulus after picking up two mission specialists: Admiral McCoy and Scotty.

The only justification for having James T. Kirk do hardly anything at all in your movie is to have him be the entire purpose for the story. Like Montalban said of why he took the Khan role: "Even when he wasn't on screen, people were talking about him." If the generations had really come together to rescue Kirk, it would have been the greatest Star Trek story ever told and damn well should have been.
 
One of the greatest crimes of Generations (the greatest is Kirk's treatment) is that Spock, McCoy, and Scotty weren't present in both the 23rd and 24th century stories. Generations should have been "The Search For Kirk," with Spock sensing that Kirk didn't really die on the Enterprise-B. This would have especially worked if he and McCoy (and Scotty) were aboard for her maiden voyage and he sensed that Kirk wasn't killed. For almost a century, he believes he was really just giving in to his emotions by denying Kirk's death. When the Nexus passes by Romulus, he becomes certain Kirk is alive somehow. The Enterprise-D is assigned to extract Spock from Romulus after picking up two mission specialists: Admiral McCoy and Scotty.

The only justification for having James T. Kirk do hardly anything at all in your movie is to have him be the entire purpose for the story. Like Montalban said of why he took the Khan role: "Even when he wasn't on screen, people were talking about him." If the generations had really come together to rescue Kirk, it would have been the greatest Star Trek story ever told and damn well should have been.

That would have been a fantastic take on the story, and been a part meaty enough for Nimoy to get involved. I would absolutely approve.

As it is, Generations turned me off from the franchise for a couple decades, and it was TOS fan films that drew me back in. Even the fact that they coudln't even rewrite Spock and McCoys scenes, or remember that Scotty isn't supposed to know Kirk's fate, smh. It was such an underwelming (overwhelming?) disappointment for me, and I will never forgive it for its wasted potential.

If they hadn't used the story for Yesterday's Enterprise, that could have been good - they have to go back to maintain the end of Star Trek VI and save the Federation President and avert war.

My personal take on GEN would be, when Picard goes IN, out pops Kirk, who's been chomping at the bit to get out of there. In this version, SOMEONE has to stay behind.... so with Kirk on the D, pulling rank for command, facing off against the bird of prey, interacting with Riker/Data/Worf and company.... all the things we had been waiting so long to see! Nods to TMP (Kirk pulling rank and taking command), nods to Picards regrets about family, with him being unwilling or unable to notice he's in a fantasy or leave his children.... all of it should have had so much more depth and power. My ending would either be Kirk choosing to stay so that Picard can leave, with a final shot of him walking onto Nexus-Enterprise-Bridge, filled with his companions, or with Soran getting some type of redemption and pulling a Lazarus. Make it not just a paradise, but ... i don't know, something different then they actually did.
 
That would have been a fantastic take on the story, and been a part meaty enough for Nimoy to get involved. I would absolutely approve.

As it is, Generations turned me off from the franchise for a couple decades, and it was TOS fan films that drew me back in. Even the fact that they coudln't even rewrite Spock and McCoys scenes, or remember that Scotty isn't supposed to know Kirk's fate, smh. It was such an underwelming (overwhelming?) disappointment for me, and I will never forgive it for its wasted potential.

If they hadn't used the story for Yesterday's Enterprise, that could have been good - they have to go back to maintain the end of Star Trek VI and save the Federation President and avert war.

My personal take on GEN would be, when Picard goes IN, out pops Kirk, who's been chomping at the bit to get out of there. In this version, SOMEONE has to stay behind.... so with Kirk on the D, pulling rank for command, facing off against the bird of prey, interacting with Riker/Data/Worf and company.... all the things we had been waiting so long to see! Nods to TMP (Kirk pulling rank and taking command), nods to Picards regrets about family, with him being unwilling or unable to notice he's in a fantasy or leave his children.... all of it should have had so much more depth and power. My ending would either be Kirk choosing to stay so that Picard can leave, with a final shot of him walking onto Nexus-Enterprise-Bridge, filled with his companions, or with Soran getting some type of redemption and pulling a Lazarus. Make it not just a paradise, but ... i don't know, something different then they actually did.
Very cool ideas! I also hate GEN for how it treated the TOS cast, especially Kirk. Berman was never a TOS/Trek fan and he was the one who refused to work with Nimoy, who wanted to direct. I hope that one day, when AI is advanced enough, we can get a fan version of a crossover that does the premise justice.
 
Very cool ideas! I also hate GEN for how it treated the TOS cast, especially Kirk. Berman was never a TOS/Trek fan and he was the one who refused to work with Nimoy, who wanted to direct. I hope that one day, when AI is advanced enough, we can get a fan version of a crossover that does the premise justice.

In my Yesterday's Enterprise version, they would have to pad things out, of course - maybe the rift moved, and getting to it means going through Klingon Space, or the D needs to time travel back to Star Trek VI itself to get Kirk into position, and theres a bunch of Back to the Future 2 style scenes of Star Trek VII running around in scenes from Star Trek VI, with Picard and the crew dressed up in monster maroons. There were so many fun ways of handling it.

Generations was not fun.
 
Honestly? Geordi's hatred of Barclay, while unjustified, is completely understandable. I get he was kind of an ass to him, which, yeah, by all means he shouldn't have been, but Barclay is just sort of... Barclay. Also, it doesn't help Barclay's case that he was *constantly* late and overal made a pretty shit impression. Sorry I just typed up a whole paragraph about one sentence in your entire question hahaha
 
And there are people who say that a Geordie did nothing wrong in Galaxy Child... 😶

Deffo on the creepazoid side, certainly... the episode was a bit woolly on it all...

Going back to "Booby Trap", he did feel a need to have a more personable figure to work opposite as opposed to reading a book like what Scotty did all the time. Probably because of the time factor involved, it's faster to bounce ideas back and forth interactively than to sit there reading while downing a gallon of coffee. The computer did warn him of a significant margin of error in creating a "personality" from known content, and would not include material deemed classified/personal information. Why "Galaxy's Child" had Geordi (after assumption) pouting over marital status not being told to him (well, Computer couldn't because 24th century whatevers decided that marital status was sufficiently personal)... While clear Geordi didn't use the program (and the end of "Booby Trap" doesn't have him say "Save program and exit" but "end program" -- so while it's a retcon, it's minor at most. It's nothing compared to retcons other shows have done to radically alter an older story's facts to ft a new view) and even told Barclay that it's possible to get carried away in the holodeck (keeping in mind Geordi said it was not appropriate for "Leah" to massage him and, yeah, Geordi had a point that Leah should have rewatched it all, though nobody's going to deny "is that right?" he tells her in Engineering over Fungilli does top out that "creepy" factor...

Granted, Leah was also surprised that Computer didn't tell him that either... but my ex, who was a medical practitioner, was a smoker so even in 400 year's time, nobody's able to remember everything on cue or is perfect. Unless one is named Wesley or Jean-Luc or Data :nyah: !

Kind of a shame that "Booby Trap" was made and aired long before "Hollow Pursuits", since the bridge clique debating and bickering if regulations on using crewmembers in the holodeck existed or not... a shame season 5 didn't have that little aspect stretched out into a 43-minute soapbox escapade as well. The continuity that matches up effortlessly is as impressive as it is (albeit) minuscule...
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Very cool ideas! I also hate GEN for how it treated the TOS cast, especially Kirk. Berman was never a TOS/Trek fan and he was the one who refused to work with Nimoy, who wanted to direct. I hope that one day, when AI is advanced enough, we can get a fan version of a crossover that does the premise justice.

Didn't Nimoy turn down the offer, having read the script and saying that Spock's role wasn't significant enough, among other issues involving the script and believing it was a gimmick? (At least according to ScreenRant articles, Quora forum responses, et al... a grain and/or bucket of salt is needed for that, which is invariably a given...
 
One problem with "Hollow Pursuits" is that almost everyone is rude or dismissive of Barclay, in ways that aren't in line with what we've done to expect from their respective characters.

Basically, people around Barclay act like those terrible, unevolved, late 20th/early 21st century humans they so look down on.

Picard was a bit of a jerk to many people in early seasons. After all, his first reaction to Riker in "Encounter at Farpoint" is opting to haze him by ordering him to do a manual saucer reconnection, instead of doing it the normal, computer-guided way they're supposed to do it.

I've been wondering whether what we see in TNG in the main cast is essentially an 'incrowd' of high potentials that secretly look down on those individuals in the lower ranks, that don't share their level of ambition, or that they perceive to not be on their own level of skill sets (Picard and Riker being curt with Geordi, Geordi being curt with his underlings, etc.). In most cases they succeed in hiding it rather well, but not always.
 
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Oh, he did nothing wrong in GC.
- Aside from not dumping that Leah hologram beforehand.
- Aside from leaving it where the real deal could find it. Des he leave dildos and vibrators lying around too?
- Aside from putting moves on the real deal, instead of being professional with her, and letting things develop... or not. And probably finding out painlessly that she's married.
- Aside from not apologizing PROFUSELY when Leah discovered his photonic toy.
 
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