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Hate it.
Generations: why I love/hate it
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I love the final shot of the Nebula nd Oberth hovering over the planet and then jumping to Warp speed.
Heck I wish they'd just shown all kinds of Trek ships hitting Warp for 2 hours. That would have been awesome.
The rest was meh, but seldom really terrible. 6.5/10. Tolerate it.
Heck I wish they'd just shown all kinds of Trek ships hitting Warp for 2 hours. That would have been awesome.
The rest was meh, but seldom really terrible. 6.5/10. Tolerate it.
I didn't vote, 'cause there's no option for me. I actually think it's a good movie, just not AMAZINGOMG111. I don't "love it", but it's better than "okay". I liked that Kirk died a mundane death for a people who would never know him. It felt simple, and a kind of heroic to me. Tho I'm probably alone in that. It's a fun movie with a few plot holes, but pretty good overall I think.
It's not a perfect movie but I still enjoy it.
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Why do i love Generations? How much time do you have?
First off, i know the plot holes are huge. HUGE! But i make the conscious decision and choice NOT to let them spoil it for me. There are plot holes in just about every single Star Trek episode or movie. You have to make the choice not to let them ruin it for you.
Ok, so what do i love?
Just about everything! From the opening sequence of the bottle spinning through space to the dialogue at the very end between Picard and Riker.
I love how the movie blends some of TOS characters with TNG characters. I love the way the baton is passed.
I love the scenes between Kirk, Chekov and Scotty. They are both touching and funny. "Captain, Is there something wrong with your chair?" I love how Kirk saves the day! And i cry every single time when Scotty and Chekov view space from deck 15.
I love how we come upon TNG crew, on the Enterprise on the water. I love the scene with Worf and the plank. And Riker's "Remove the plank!" And Data pushing Crusher into the water and his totally 'not getting it'....his struggle with the concept of humor.
I think this movie has some of Patrick Stewart's finest acting in Star Trek. When he is on the Enterprise 'boat' and he gets the news about his brother and nephew, his face changes, his knees buckle ever so slightly, you can actually feel his shortness of breath. The scenes in his ready room and on the bridge are heartbreaking. And I actually think Marina Sirtis does some of her best acting in this movie, albiet her role is small. She actually does something meaningful for once!
I LOVE DATA! I LOVE his scenes! I love his internal struggle before and after installing his emotion chip. I love him in the bar trying to figure out what he is feeling after drinking that horrible drink. I love watching Spiner as Data when the chip starts to overload his neural net, and his manic behavior with Mr Tricorder, etc. And yes! I love his ditty "Life forms". I love his fist pump and "YES!" And i love his "OH, SHIT!"
I love Malcolm McDowell as the villian. I understand his villian. And the scene between Picard and Soren in Ten Foward is incredible. What great acting! Again, Stewart's acting as Soren speaks of "Time is the fire in which we burn....." Amazing.
I love the Duras sisters and their Klingon Kleavage. Their best lines are spoken in this movie.
"Human females are so repulsive", " i hope for your sake, you are initiating ...a mating ritual", and "He must be the only engineer in Starfleet that doesnt GO to engineering!".
I love stellar cartography! I love the scene between Picard and Data in there. They both chew that scene up with some wonderful acting.
I love the battle between the Duras sisters and the Enterprise crew.
And the separation sequence. And then the entire crash sequence! OMG i love it. I love seeing everyone thrown about the ship, and the ship scraping across the planet, knocking down everything in it's path.
That shot of McDowell high on the mountain top with his arms outstretched as the Nexus string approaches him. OMG! Just incredible.
I love the Nexus. I can feel it's pull when Picard is in it, holding his nephew. It is more seductive than any drug and if i were in it, i can tell you i would never come out.
I love watching Kirk fall in love with the prospect of starting over in the Nexus and then slowly comprehending that life in there is really all meaningless. I think he says one of his greatest lines to Picard, "I don't need to be lectured by you. I was out saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers!"
Yes, i hate when Kirk dies. But i do think it was a brave and noble death. For crying out loud he saves millions of people! The shot of Picard high on the mountain with Kirk's grave, its beautiful.
And finally, i love the scene at the end between Riker and Picard. They have some of the best lines ever spoken in a Trek movie.
Really, i could go on and on. I love this movie! I love just about every single scene, every single shot, every single line. And i love the soundtrack! Generations is definitely one of my very favorite Trek movies.
First off, i know the plot holes are huge. HUGE! But i make the conscious decision and choice NOT to let them spoil it for me. There are plot holes in just about every single Star Trek episode or movie. You have to make the choice not to let them ruin it for you.
Ok, so what do i love?
Just about everything! From the opening sequence of the bottle spinning through space to the dialogue at the very end between Picard and Riker.
I love how the movie blends some of TOS characters with TNG characters. I love the way the baton is passed.
I love the scenes between Kirk, Chekov and Scotty. They are both touching and funny. "Captain, Is there something wrong with your chair?" I love how Kirk saves the day! And i cry every single time when Scotty and Chekov view space from deck 15.
I love how we come upon TNG crew, on the Enterprise on the water. I love the scene with Worf and the plank. And Riker's "Remove the plank!" And Data pushing Crusher into the water and his totally 'not getting it'....his struggle with the concept of humor.
I think this movie has some of Patrick Stewart's finest acting in Star Trek. When he is on the Enterprise 'boat' and he gets the news about his brother and nephew, his face changes, his knees buckle ever so slightly, you can actually feel his shortness of breath. The scenes in his ready room and on the bridge are heartbreaking. And I actually think Marina Sirtis does some of her best acting in this movie, albiet her role is small. She actually does something meaningful for once!
I LOVE DATA! I LOVE his scenes! I love his internal struggle before and after installing his emotion chip. I love him in the bar trying to figure out what he is feeling after drinking that horrible drink. I love watching Spiner as Data when the chip starts to overload his neural net, and his manic behavior with Mr Tricorder, etc. And yes! I love his ditty "Life forms". I love his fist pump and "YES!" And i love his "OH, SHIT!"
I love Malcolm McDowell as the villian. I understand his villian. And the scene between Picard and Soren in Ten Foward is incredible. What great acting! Again, Stewart's acting as Soren speaks of "Time is the fire in which we burn....." Amazing.
I love the Duras sisters and their Klingon Kleavage. Their best lines are spoken in this movie.
"Human females are so repulsive", " i hope for your sake, you are initiating ...a mating ritual", and "He must be the only engineer in Starfleet that doesnt GO to engineering!".
I love stellar cartography! I love the scene between Picard and Data in there. They both chew that scene up with some wonderful acting.
I love the battle between the Duras sisters and the Enterprise crew.
And the separation sequence. And then the entire crash sequence! OMG i love it. I love seeing everyone thrown about the ship, and the ship scraping across the planet, knocking down everything in it's path.
That shot of McDowell high on the mountain top with his arms outstretched as the Nexus string approaches him. OMG! Just incredible.
I love the Nexus. I can feel it's pull when Picard is in it, holding his nephew. It is more seductive than any drug and if i were in it, i can tell you i would never come out.
I love watching Kirk fall in love with the prospect of starting over in the Nexus and then slowly comprehending that life in there is really all meaningless. I think he says one of his greatest lines to Picard, "I don't need to be lectured by you. I was out saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers!"
Yes, i hate when Kirk dies. But i do think it was a brave and noble death. For crying out loud he saves millions of people! The shot of Picard high on the mountain with Kirk's grave, its beautiful.
And finally, i love the scene at the end between Riker and Picard. They have some of the best lines ever spoken in a Trek movie.
Really, i could go on and on. I love this movie! I love just about every single scene, every single shot, every single line. And i love the soundtrack! Generations is definitely one of my very favorite Trek movies.
I am not sure I love this movie (I'm not sure I can honestly say that I've loved any of the Trek movies - I generally prefer the series), but I like it a LOT, and for pretty much all the reasons Randi cites. Yeah, it has plot holes. Lots of beloved movies have plot holes - plot holes, IMO, are not the thing that makes a person love or hate a movie - so don't tell me that's an adequate reason to hate this movie.
I think it was a wonderful way to pass the torch on to TNG.
I never have had any problem with the way Kirk dies. I know lots of people do, and while I have tried to understand...I just don't. He went out exactly the way he would have wanted to, and none of us can ask for much more than that.
(Oh, and that scene where Picard finds out about his brother and nephew - it's so understated but so so so devastating. Stewart is fantastic there, and in fact throughout the entire movie.)
So I voted "love it" because that's the closest I could get to "I like it a LOT."
I think it was a wonderful way to pass the torch on to TNG.
I never have had any problem with the way Kirk dies. I know lots of people do, and while I have tried to understand...I just don't. He went out exactly the way he would have wanted to, and none of us can ask for much more than that.
(Oh, and that scene where Picard finds out about his brother and nephew - it's so understated but so so so devastating. Stewart is fantastic there, and in fact throughout the entire movie.)
So I voted "love it" because that's the closest I could get to "I like it a LOT."
I think it's far and away the best of the TNG films, but then that's not really saying much.
It's too bad, because I think, had Dick not been in such a hurry to get it out, they could have taken their time, worked out the kinks, and put out the best of all the Trek films. The pieces are all there, they just haphazardly put them together.
It's too bad, because I think, had Dick not been in such a hurry to get it out, they could have taken their time, worked out the kinks, and put out the best of all the Trek films. The pieces are all there, they just haphazardly put them together.
Agreed.
Wow, Randi. I haven't seen it in such a long time, but I'm gonna go rent it right now because of your glowing words. Perhaps I was too hard on it... I'll get back to you after I see it again.
Absolutely the same feelings here.
Wow, Randi. I haven't seen it in such a long time, but I'm gonna go rent it right now because of your glowing words. Perhaps I was too hard on it... I'll get back to you after I see it again.
My work here is done!
i look forward to hearing what you think.
You're not alone. I feel the same way about the movie did not "love" it but it was good. Also Kirk's death seemed true to his character. It wasn't flashy but ultimately he died trying to save others, a fitting end for the character.
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Tolerate it.
Malcom McDowell was a halfway decent baddie, though he seemed a bit too snidely evil at times for someone who's goal was to be reunited with his loved ones in a paradise.
The Picard-Kirk scenes were fairly good.
The last minute move to dump new uniforms for DS9 ones makes the film look half-assed and cheap...Riker's sleeves! Haw-haw!
Lursa and B'etor took down the Enterprise D in a Bird of Prey (kewl ship
), yeah...BULLPLOP! Bull-freaking-plop. An aging smaller vessel takes out the ship that faced the Borg and a hundred other calamities.
Kirk's Nexus fantasy seemed unconvincing. "This when I was gonna tell this chick we've never heard of that I was going back to do what I love more than her. Oh, and HORSIES!"
Also, Picard's deciding where and when to leave the Nexus was pedestrian thinking at its worst.
The so green behind the ears that he might be an Orion Captain Harriman, and the obligatory "where are the only ship close enough to get there in time but we are ill equipped because this is just a training cruise" Frak you, that's Wrath of Khan again. As someone said once "when did all Trek movies become Wrath of Khan"?
Malcom McDowell was a halfway decent baddie, though he seemed a bit too snidely evil at times for someone who's goal was to be reunited with his loved ones in a paradise.
The Picard-Kirk scenes were fairly good.
The last minute move to dump new uniforms for DS9 ones makes the film look half-assed and cheap...Riker's sleeves! Haw-haw!
Lursa and B'etor took down the Enterprise D in a Bird of Prey (kewl ship
), yeah...BULLPLOP! Bull-freaking-plop. An aging smaller vessel takes out the ship that faced the Borg and a hundred other calamities.Kirk's Nexus fantasy seemed unconvincing. "This when I was gonna tell this chick we've never heard of that I was going back to do what I love more than her. Oh, and HORSIES!"
Also, Picard's deciding where and when to leave the Nexus was pedestrian thinking at its worst.
The so green behind the ears that he might be an Orion Captain Harriman, and the obligatory "where are the only ship close enough to get there in time but we are ill equipped because this is just a training cruise" Frak you, that's Wrath of Khan again. As someone said once "when did all Trek movies become Wrath of Khan"?
More importantly, why do people insult Trek movies by saying they're TWoK? The "We're the only ship in range!" is a Star Trek thing in general, not TWoK. It's stupid, but it's a thing. What makes it bad is that they just left Spacedock and they're the only ship in range.
When this film came out in 1994, I was a ridiculous, obsessed 13-year-old fanboy. At the time, this movie was perfect. I saw it multiple times in the theater. I read the novelization. I listened to the soundtrack. I collected the magazines. As far as I was concerned, GEN was a cinematic masterpiece.
Today, it isn't all that great. Ironically, I did pop the DVD in last night and had it playing in the background while I worked on something. The story is severely flawed. There are massive plot holes. The Nexus was an interesting concept that was poorly developed and executed in the film. Data's emotion chip B-plot is almost unwatchable because the humor is so awful. The Enterprise-D getting destroyed by an old Klingon bird-of-prey is embarrassing.
Yet, I can still find things to like about the film. Visually, it looks really different from TNG the television show. I really loved the upgrades to the Enterprise-D sets. The fresh paint, the added details, the increased colors, the shadows, the glow of the bright Armagosa star shining through the viewports... it was all very interesting to me. I loved the stellar cartography set. I enjoyed Patrick Stewart's performance, even though I think some may take issue with watching the film's leading man cry and babble over his family tragedy (I thought it was a great scene, pesonally). I love the role that Guinan played in the film - she was a favorite character of mine, and I was happy to see her in the film (her cameo in NEM was nice, but wasted).
Today, it isn't all that great. Ironically, I did pop the DVD in last night and had it playing in the background while I worked on something. The story is severely flawed. There are massive plot holes. The Nexus was an interesting concept that was poorly developed and executed in the film. Data's emotion chip B-plot is almost unwatchable because the humor is so awful. The Enterprise-D getting destroyed by an old Klingon bird-of-prey is embarrassing.
Yet, I can still find things to like about the film. Visually, it looks really different from TNG the television show. I really loved the upgrades to the Enterprise-D sets. The fresh paint, the added details, the increased colors, the shadows, the glow of the bright Armagosa star shining through the viewports... it was all very interesting to me. I loved the stellar cartography set. I enjoyed Patrick Stewart's performance, even though I think some may take issue with watching the film's leading man cry and babble over his family tragedy (I thought it was a great scene, pesonally). I love the role that Guinan played in the film - she was a favorite character of mine, and I was happy to see her in the film (her cameo in NEM was nice, but wasted).
I saw Generations for the first time at a midnight show with an audience full of wildly enthuasiastic fans from a local college. It wasn't a great movie, but I had a great time watching it, and I think that makes me a bit easier on it than a lot of people.
But Kirk's death scene was very, very underwhelming. And why didn't he refer to his off-screen Nexus girlfriend as "Edith"?
But Kirk's death scene was very, very underwhelming. And why didn't he refer to his off-screen Nexus girlfriend as "Edith"?
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