Generations was...

[Dale Sams]

Poor OP!

I enjoyed Generations, and I always praise the score any chance I get.

 

[Lee Enfield]

Oh I'm fine with softer, subtler scores when they are appropriate, but when someone asks me which scores I like, the first ones that will pop into my mind are the dramatic ones in which there is definitely a party going on in the music. However, the score to Generations doesn't strike me as just subtle. It strikes me as flat and emotionless. But of course, that's just me.

Understood!

Would really like to know what you think about scores like that from Apollo 13. Btw by James Horner, who did the music for the third Trek movie. Lot of melody, epic themes and some variyng arrangments with a lot of "exploration"-feel ... then dreamy-nostalgic notes and choires, in the soft parts...

 

[Argus Skyhawk]

I'm afraid it has been too long since I saw Apollo 13. I don't remember what the score sounded like.

 

[Lee Enfield]

Apollo 13 - Re-Entry& Splashdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NZR35_GorU&list=RD02p6i5vgDJFb4

give the End Titles a try, as well! Subwoofer recommended.

definitively some cues (in the quiter parts) recognizable he later used on Titanic.

 

[Lord Garth FOI]

Was,... Garbage

 

[MacLeod]

Sure Generations had a decent sound track, and some of it's cinematography was nice. Shame about the plot.

I'm not against the Ent-D being destroyed, but by an obsolete BoP it should have been a curb stomp battle a full spread of torpedeos and phaser should have beaten it.

The death of Kirk, once again not opposed to Kirk dying but like the Ent-D it was poorly handled. The first death of Kirk onboard the Ent-B was done better.

And the biggest gapping plot hole, the nexus can take you to any point in time and space apparently, they could have goe back to say the Armagosa Array and stopped Soran there.

 

[Lance]

I think what makes the BoP battle so lame is the way it was done. Rigging Geordi's VISOR up with a pinhole camera and reading the Enterprise's shield frequencies is just such a stupid plot device, not least because the actual destruction of the ship almost happens as a random afterthought when Riker has already blown the BoP out of existence.

Far more satisfying (although possibly overegging the plot) would be to have focused a bit more on integrating the Duras sisters into the framework of the movie more. Have their attack on Armagosa be because they're trying to build some Big Ass Top Secret Muthaf**king Super Weapon for which they need copious amounts of Trilithium, and while Soran is using them to his own means by co-operating with their plot, they do manage to get the weapon operational. And said weapon is capable of punching through the Enterprise shields.

Or maybe, I dunno, eliminate the Duras sisters from the plot altogether. Isn't it enough for Soran's supernova causing missile to destroy the ship? Instead of having it blow up on the planet's surface, have it miss the Veridian sun and hit the Enterprise instead. Although they could potentially make Picard look like a douchebag.

I give up. Generations is unfixable.

 

[Dantrek]

The score was good but the movie sucked. It was too rushed, they should have waited 2 years after the show went off the air to make a motion picture. It would have given the writers more time to some up with a decent movie. The death of Kirk was totally unnecessary. Kirks death should have been way more epic. I didn't see the point of killing him to begin with. I hated seeing the Enterprise D destroyed. It should have just been refitted. I think ships are better when they have some age and history and the Enterprise D did. It may not have been the best design but it was familiar.

 

[Johnny]

I think ships are better when they have some age and history and the Enterprise D did.

Here here!

 

[Hober Mallow]

Or maybe, I dunno, eliminate the Duras sisters from the plot altogether.

They should have eliminated Kirk from the plot altogether.

 

[Captain McBain]

...full of holes.

 

[Marsden]

This was my five minute idea for a better movie.

A much simpler contrivance would be for Kirk to be frozen somehow and revived. I think the Nexus was an idea to hard for them to make into a good idea. A random energy ribbon that causes disruption is a good idea. How about the Enterprise D discovers the ribbon about to threaten a colony in it's path, Veridan 3 if you like, and when Data's plan to dissapate the ribbon works they discover a body that was preserved and brought aboard, it's Captain America er no it's Captain Kirk! He's revived with Dr. Crusher's 24th century medical ability and the strange properties of the ribbon. After a short while, Data detects that the disruption of the ribbon is causing a different type of phenomena which is causing a possible disruption of the fabric of space which will cause a much worse, destructive decomposition of the space in the sector itself. Because Capt. Kirk is saturated in the energy of the ribbon, a way to prevent the formation of the new event is for him to enter it, but it will kill him. The crew of the D struggle valiantly to resolve this by any other means at their disposal, but Kirk resolves to solve this himself when efforts fail, he knocks out everyone but Data who assists him into a shuttle which he then flies into the forming disruption, thus ending the event and saving all the planets in that quadrant. The D holds a ceremony honoring his sacrifice and we go on our way.

 

[Lance]

Or maybe, I dunno, eliminate the Duras sisters from the plot altogether.

They should have eliminated Kirk from the plot altogether.

I don't disagree.

The video game adaptation actually had two endings: one which follows the events of the movie, complete with Veridian III, Captain Kirk's death and the destruction of the Enterprise. But there's also a second ending to the game, where Soran is located before getting to Veridian III. In the later ending the Enterprise engages Soran's ship in battle, and if you win the battle then Soran chooses to set his ship to self-destruct. Naturally this does eliminate Kirk from the plot entirely (in this version he obviously never did leave the Nexus). This alternate ending also saves the Enterprise D.

 

[Johnny]

This was my five minute idea for a better movie.

A much simpler contrivance would be for Kirk to be frozen somehow and revived. I think the Nexus was an idea to hard for them to make into a good idea. A random energy ribbon that causes disruption is a good idea. How about the Enterprise D discovers the ribbon about to threaten a colony in it's path, Veridan 3 if you like, and when Data's plan to dissapate the ribbon works they discover a body that was preserved and brought aboard, it's Captain America er no it's Captain Kirk! He's revived with Dr. Crusher's 24th century medical ability and the strange properties of the ribbon. After a short while, Data detects that the disruption of the ribbon is causing a different type of phenomena which is causing a possible disruption of the fabric of space which will cause a much worse, destructive decomposition of the space in the sector itself. Because Capt. Kirk is saturated in the energy of the ribbon, a way to prevent the formation of the new event is for him to enter it, but it will kill him. The crew of the D struggle valiantly to resolve this by any other means at their disposal, but Kirk resolves to solve this himself when efforts fail, he knocks out everyone but Data who assists him into a shuttle which he then flies into the forming disruption, thus ending the event and saving all the planets in that quadrant. The D holds a ceremony honoring his sacrifice and we go on our way.

Haha! So Kirk comes out of the ribbon, there's a lot of talking and scanning and very little doing, knocks everyone out, then re-enters the ribbon.... That's the next voyager episode sorted then!

 

[Hober Mallow]

As bad as "Generations" was, it could have been worse. We could have had holodeck James Kirk save the ship with Maury Hurley's screenplay.

 

[DarKush]

Though I initially liked seeing the Duras sisters again, on subsequent viewings I felt they shouldn't have been used at all. Generations wasted them. I wish they had not used the Duras sisters and made them exclusive to DS9. I think their political machinations during the Federation-Klingon War and with the Dominion would've made for some interesting viewing.

I wish Generations had used the Ferengi instead, perhaps DaiMon Bok. To me it would've been a nice homage to TNG's first villains and I would've gotten to see a Ferengi Marauder on the big screen. I do think a Marauder is a more credible threat than an old Bird of Prey.

 

[RandyS]

I hated seeing the Enterprise D destroyed. It should have just been refitted. I think ships are better when they have some age and history and the Enterprise D did. It may not have been the best design but it was familiar.

Bite your tongue. The Enterprise-D was the best design of all the various Enterprises, and destroying it was the worst part of GENERATIONS. Even Kirk's death wasn't as stupid. I'm still dissapointed that Starfleet didn't give Picard an identical replacement the way they did with Kirk we he lost his first Enterprise. The Enterprise-E is easily the ugliest ship ever seen in Star Trek (with Voyager running a close second).

 

[Lance]

I hated seeing the Enterprise D destroyed. It should have just been refitted. I think ships are better when they have some age and history and the Enterprise D did. It may not have been the best design but it was familiar.

Bite your tongue. The Enterprise-D was the best design of all the various Enterprises, and destroying it was the worst part of GENERATIONS. Even Kirk's death wasn't as stupid. I'm still dissapointed that Starfleet didn't give Picard an identical replacement the way they did with Kirk we he lost his first Enterprise. The Enterprise-E is easily the ugliest ship ever seen in Star Trek

Agreed, Randy. And about the Enterprise E too. Interally and externally, I've never understood why people champion it. The Enterprise-D was a superior design in nearly every quantifiable way.

 

[Galactic Alignment]

Agreed, Randy. And about the Enterprise E too. Interally and externally, I've never understood why people champion it. The Enterprise-D was a superior design in nearly every quantifiable way.

The Enterprise-E design would be OK-ish (well, tolerable) if it was meant to be a big sister of the Intrepid class or something like that. As an Enterprise... No. It's just a very mid '90s 'badass' design that isn't right for a peaceful exploration starship that the Enterprise lineage represents.

 

[Kevman7987]

I give up. Generations is unfixable.

Agreed. The TNG crew needed:
1. Their own movie without any TOS interference. The TOS stuff felt shoehorned in and Kirk later in the film dying the way he did was a waste.
2. At least a year or two between the show and film. Braga and Moore were trying to write both All Good Things and Generations at the same time. Had they been given more time, I'm pretty sure AGT would have been an even better series finale and Generations wouldn't have sucked.

I hated seeing the Enterprise D destroyed. It should have just been refitted. I think ships are better when they have some age and history and the Enterprise D did. It may not have been the best design but it was familiar.

Bite your tongue. The Enterprise-D was the best design of all the various Enterprises, and destroying it was the worst part of GENERATIONS. Even Kirk's death wasn't as stupid. I'm still disappointed that Starfleet didn't give Picard an identical replacement the way they did with Kirk when he lost his first Enterprise. The Enterprise-E is easily the ugliest ship ever seen in Star Trek

Agreed, Randy. And about the Enterprise E too. Internally and externally, I've never understood why people champion it. The Enterprise-D was a superior design in nearly every quantifiable way.

I have to agree/disagree with you guys on the D/E.

Enterprise-D:
Exterior: Looked ungainly and misshapen from too many angles.
Interior: Looked too much like an 80's hotel lobby.

Enterprise-E:
Exterior: Looked fast and scary from many angles.
Interior: Here is where you get my agreement. E was too dark inside.