Generations is so good.

[trevanian]

I think people overstate this lighting from below thing in TMP...

No, it is present in plenty other spots, just not necessarily always motivated by in-frame source lights.

Really? I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but you're going to have to point me to some specific images and not one isolated scene in the film.

For instance, I *did* look, and while I see a lot of cross-lighting, I see virtually nothing from below, not even fill.
Bridge
Bridge
Engine room
Engine Room
Bridge after wormhole
Kirk's Quarters
Lounge
Bridge later
Rec Deck
Airlock
Sickbay
Bridge near end
Bridge at end

You know where I see lighting from below? The corridors, and in the "microwave wok" that is the V'ger set.

Kindly point me to examples of this prevalent underlight.

Right off, your 1061 and 250 jpg have plenty indications. The back part of the airlock shot is darker toward top of frame, showing falloff from light-from-below, and the way the light fails to fall on Spock but does fall on the security guy looks motivated low. The shot of scot and Kirk in engineering is clearly lower (probably from the engine horizontal thing), because you've got the light illuminating (not glaringly) their chin throat more than the hair on their heads.

Again, largely from the side, but low, not from a useful angle.

I've got a copy of the old photonovel in the trunk of my car. When I'm at work today I'll thumb through it and try to note a few examples. From what I recall, the movie is very 'fill happy' in terms of light, it is just all angled 'wrong.'

EDIT ADDON your 436 is another one where the light is definitely from a low unflattering angle for the most part, since Kelley's body is reading a bit brighter than his head, and I'm not referring to uniform color. There is an obnoxious light kick on the rail low down, too.

 

[Roshi]

The Enterprise looked awesome...

 

[Borjis]

Re: Antonia Shot on the hill...

Does anyone know where they got that terrible shot of Antonia on the horse?

On a recent viewing of Generations in HD, that shot is horribly inconsistent with the rest of the movie.

It clearly looks like some B-Roll from the likes of "Little House on the Prairie"

It has some gate weave and is filthy. It looks as though it was cleaned at one time and the cleaner was not able to properly dry/evaporate.

I noticed in the end credits that there was no listing for the character of Antonia.

I remember it being fuzzy, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as the shots of Scotty hovering in midair in TVH ... those things were so grainy it was like they pulled them from an old 16mm workprint.

I saw that shot in the HD version of TVH and yeah it was waaaaay grainy, like poorly shot Super16.

 

[Phantassm]

so what do you think of it?

A total suckfest.

While I wouldn't quite use those words, I would essentially agree. It was BAD.

 

[Keith1701]

It was a movie for the long time fans. At least it stuck to cannon unlike some of the later films.

Sure the obvious plot holes are there, but I still find it to be truest to the series out of the 4 movies (probably because it was written as the series was ending.)

It was and is a great movie....

 

[Maurice]

Thanks, Trevanian, but it still looks mostly like cross with fill in most of these cases, and some of what you're pointing out looks like light reflected off the floor.

Again, I'm not the saying "from below" light is not present, but I think it's less from below than from the side.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Well at lease Generations was better than The Final Frontier and Nemesis.

Not really - I prefer those two over GEN infinitely more.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

It was a movie for the long time fans.

Yeah, a nice little (middle) finger to them/us, as well.

 

[USS KG5]

I liked GEN, FC was AWESOME! INS was...okay...

Add NEM was OK... to the end of this list and this is how I feel...

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I still...have to make myself see it... :alien:

 

[RAMA]

I watched Generations today and I can't believe how good it is and so emotional to, I've always had a soft spot for Search for Spock but even though I've seen Generations before it's slowly becoming my favourite Trek film and probably one of my favourite Sci-Fi films too.

Savoy 1984

Oh my, where should I begin...

There are so many things that went wrong with generations it's not even funny....

Well at lease Generations was better than The Final Frontier and Nemesis.

Nemesis is light years better, both have some plot holes but only Generations' holes ruin the movie.

RAMA