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Saw this:
Thought of this:
Thought of this:
I was watching the TOS episode "The Menagerie" (P1) that included long scenes from the first pilot. During those scenes, an away team member blurts out something that I can't make sense of, and since that first pilot is canon as it's worked into "The Menagerie", I can't figure a way to make sense of it.
The away team member blurts out how they can get them people back faster as they've broken the "time barrier". What?
We already know warp speed (faster than light) was achieved by Cochrane. I had to go to a wiki page for his character, but apparently it was the film First contact that established he achieved this and not the TOS episode "Metamorphosis" in which he appeared.
So I am guessing they were trying to say in the fist pilot that warp speed was new and prior to that they couldn't go faster than the speed of light. But that strikes me as highly unlikely just based upon TOS history over three seasons. I know, you can't always see what is coming ahead at the time by future scripts, but like I said, it's canon now, so what in the world does this mean?
They don't need time travel to get home faster with warp speed.
The away team member blurts out how they can get them people back faster as they've broken the "time barrier". What?
We already know warp speed (faster than light) was achieved by Cochrane. I had to go to a wiki page for his character, but apparently it was the film First contact that established he achieved this and not the TOS episode "Metamorphosis" in which he appeared.
So I am guessing they were trying to say in the fist pilot that warp speed was new and prior to that they couldn't go faster than the speed of light. But that strikes me as highly unlikely just based upon TOS history over three seasons. I know, you can't always see what is coming ahead at the time by future scripts, but like I said, it's canon now, so what in the world does this mean?
They don't need time travel to get home faster with warp speed.
It's as canon as the lithium (not dilithium) crystals in Mudd's Women.
One of those canon lines that still need to be ignored or squinted at. Perhaps it can be retconned as some warp benchmark.
I don't disagree. :-)
Sometimes in re-runs you notice things that in the passed you just brushed off, but now it's got you wondering...
"Star Trek: The Next Generation"
A force field in a corridor. A lead character and another yellow shirt Engineering(?) member down on his knees, holding a little scanning device or some such thingy, and twice he pokes the force field in two places, setting the force field off. Why? They already know it's there, that's why they are there. What good does poking it do? Yes, it goes off when you touch it -- brilliant.
"Star Trek: The Next Generation"
A force field in a corridor. A lead character and another yellow shirt Engineering(?) member down on his knees, holding a little scanning device or some such thingy, and twice he pokes the force field in two places, setting the force field off. Why? They already know it's there, that's why they are there. What good does poking it do? Yes, it goes off when you touch it -- brilliant.
Maybe to help determine if there is a weak point in the force field that can be exploited to knock it all out entirely.
Kind of like how Ro (in "Preemptive Strike") knew about the weak point in the Enterprise's shields and was able to just gently fly her Maquis ship through it despite the shields being raised. Or how Odo in a runabout ("TREACHERY, FAITH, AND THE GREAT RIVER") was able to destroy a Jem'Hadar warship by hitting the one weak spot in its shields, thanks to Weyoun pointing out that spot.
Still seems of. Poking in random places, not relying on a scanner to find the structural weak point instead of poking at it (where is a weak point going to be big enough for a person to get threw in corridor?), and I think Geordi was behind him -- surely Geordi can't find a way to bring it down with the system. Also, why would a tiny force field be designed to have weak spots when it involves internal security.
Why YES, I am over thinking it! ;-)
Why YES, I am over thinking it! ;-)
Doesn't mean it's designed to have weak points. It just may have it for whatever tech reason... maybe a power surge makes a spot less effective or poking it might force the field to work harder in that spot so it's slightly less effective with the overall field.
And there are times when a tiny spot can be used to get rid of the whole force field. That's how Korris and Konmel escaped in "Heart of Glory", they used a small device that seemed to disrupt just a tiny spot that made the whole field collapse.
Human nature
If the writer had meant light speed they would have said "the light barrier has been broken". Time barrier sounds more like something to do with time dilatation.
I just look at it as some unspecified and radical improvement in Federation warp drives that's been made since the S.S. Columbia crashed in 2236. Connies began to be launched around ten years later, so one could interpret José Tyler's line as referring to how fast the Enterprise and other starships like her can get from one planet to another.
Whatever happened to countries and borders?
Right now if I wish to travel from Australia to the UK I have to go through border controls both leaving my home country and upon arrival at the destination country.
What kind of paradigm shift had to happen where on earth it looks like we have free travel everywhere between countries on Earth, at least that's the impression I get watching shows set around the TNG, Voyager time period.
Right now if I wish to travel from Australia to the UK I have to go through border controls both leaving my home country and upon arrival at the destination country.
What kind of paradigm shift had to happen where on earth it looks like we have free travel everywhere between countries on Earth, at least that's the impression I get watching shows set around the TNG, Voyager time period.
Countries are now interstellar. So you have borders between the Federation and its neighbors. Going from country to country on Earth is like popping over the next town .
Yes but before the Federation how did borders and such change?
Even in Archer's time travel on Earth seemed to be unrestricted
United Earth
I was always surprised that never came up (at least I don't remember it). It would make sense if it happened during the recovery from WW3, or after first contact with the Vulcans.
Prior to 9/11 one could travel freely across the US/Canada and US/Mexico border with very little credentials.
I don't know what it's like in the EU and UK/Ireland, but my understanding is it's not a lot of fuss, unlike other countries where one passes through security checkpoints, show passport plus visa, and possibly even a letter of invitation.
Some borders are even more closed with virtually no or minimal travel such as between the Koreas.
Clearly in the real world border crossing ease or difficulty is influenced by mindset, attitude, alliance, and agreements. The fewer the political or philosophical differences, the more lax the border crossing. In-universe the United Earth resolved all their political and philosophical differences to the point that crossing between Australia and the UK (or any country) is as easy as travel between provinces in Australia.
In universe this is accomplished by all the nations that survived WWIII agreeing to form the New United Nations, demilitarize (or slowly combine militaries), adopt a single currency, and resolve all differences between diplomacy and the democratic process. No doubt the Vulcans helped.
Realistic? No. As long as man rules his fellow man such political and philosophical differences are never going to be resolved. Humans lack the ability, as well as the moral authority to rule each other. But this idea makes for great science fiction just like the fanciful ideas of warp speed, transporters, and such.
It's a simplistic generalization. There's actually disagreements all the time; it just rarely, if ever, escalates to the point of outwardly visible tensions or bloodshed. Earth is united and peaceful in comparison to other worlds.
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