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You have a perfectly valid point. However episodic TV demands that every episode be aired in any order. Ergo he would have a name this week and not next week etc.. A case of good story telling taking aback seat to TV.

If that were the logic they could never introduce new main characters (they did) or even secondary characters like Naomi.
 
And ensuring the episodic nature of the show shouldn't be used to justify stupid inconsistencies.

The Doctor asked for a name, and he was given one by a person he had come to love. If that's not the perfect pretext for adopting a name, I don't know what is.
 
After rewatching "Lifesigns", I'm wondering why this episode didn't represent the end of the whole "the doctor doesn't have a name" thing. I mean, he was given a name by someone he not only deeply cared for, but had triggered a huge step in his evolution from hologram to man. IMO, nothing would have made more sense than for him to honor the memory of that relationship by going by that name from then on.
Then we would have had threads bashing the name they picked complete with in-depth analysis of why the name they picked was utterly erroneous and/or some kind of slap in the face to the fans or something like that.

:bolian:
 
The Borg equivalent of deep REM sleep, being in constant contact with her drones? Even if they're awake, mobile and walking around their ships there must be something going on even if its just information transfer from the Queen to her hive.
 
shown at the end of wej Duj ;)

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Yeah, as I said when the episode came out; those Borg Lower Deckers are such interesting characters, I want a whole spinoff centred around them :lol:

But really this is a major plot hole with the Borg, in my opinion. What do they do all day? In what way are they even improving themselves? Why do they even bother with assimilated, fleshy drones?
Really if what we saw in Unimatrix Zero was the average Borg experience when they are linked into the hivemind, the whole thing would make at least some sense.
 
Do they ever invent anything new themselves or just scavenge everything?

It's not entirely clear. On the one hand it is established that 'what they can't assimilate, they can't understand' (Scorpion). On the other hand, 7 tells us: On one occasion, we were able to create a single Omega molecule. We kept it stable for one trillionth of a nanosecond before it destabilised. We didn't have enough boronite ore left to synthesise more, but the knowledge we gained allowed us to refine our theories.
 
On the other hand, 7 tells us: On one occasion, we were able to create a single Omega molecule. We kept it stable for one trillionth of a nanosecond before it destabilised. We didn't have enough boronite ore left to synthesise more, but the knowledge we gained allowed us to refine our theories.

But was that a process the Borg invented? Iirc Seven explains in that episode that the Borg actively followed a trail of information for the Omega molecule by assimilating a succession of species that had information on it. I think she says it started with them assimilating a seemingly primitive race that was revealed to have had legends about the Omega molecule and from there they assimilated the species around them for further information and that whole search process finally netted them theoretical information on how to synthesize one.
Though still, this portrays the Borg as somewhat more active and intelligent (actively searching information and conducting experiments) than the all-consuming space zombies they were often portrayed as after TNG.
 
It may be that the process followed was merely a cookbook recipe to them, but they still gained knowledge from it. So they are able to gain knowledge from processes other than assimilation, and the line between gaining knowledge and inventing something may be a fine one.
 
After rewatching "Lifesigns", I'm wondering why this episode didn't represent the end of the whole "the doctor doesn't have a name" thing. I mean, he was given a name by someone he not only deeply cared for, but had triggered a huge step in his evolution from hologram to man. IMO, nothing would have made more sense than for him to honor the memory of that relationship by going by that name from then on.

And ensuring the episodic nature of the show shouldn't be used to justify stupid inconsistencies.

The Doctor asked for a name, and he was given one by a person he had come to love. If that's not the perfect pretext for adopting a name, I don't know what is.

he was given the name "shmullus". it was clear the writers had absolutely no intention of continuing that name as anything other than a humorous in-joke.
 
Then we would have had threads bashing the name they picked complete with in-depth analysis of why the name they picked was utterly erroneous and/or some kind of slap in the face to the fans or something like that.

If they wanted the Doc to remain nameless, they should have given him a reason to do so. They did the opposite.

What do the Borg do all day when they aren't assimilating folks/technology?
Specifically what does the Borg Queen do all day?

Macarena marathons. They have a 16 gigawatt stereo system in their cubes, hidden behind the tertiary weapons adjunct. Soon as the rest of the galaxy's not looking, they fire it up and the dancing begins!

was given the name "shmullus". it was clear the writers had absolutely no intention of continuing that name as anything other than a humorous in-joke.

Not their dumbest in-joke... but close.
 
If they wanted the Doc to remain nameless, they should have given him a reason to do so. They did the opposite.

I think it's more likely they just didn't bother to give him a name, liking "Doc", instead of actively avoiding giving him a normal name. I wouldn't give the TPTB that much credit.
 
I think it's more likely they just didn't bother to give him a name, liking "Doc", instead of actively avoiding giving him a normal name. I wouldn't give the TPTB that much credit.

Well, they actually had a name picked out; early Voyager promos explained that they would eventually call him "Dr. Zimmerman", after his programmer. However, Zimmerman instead turned up in his own right, on both VOY and DS9. But by that point, the EMH had stated that he wanted a name, so they had to play this game.
 
You know the EMH isn't real, right? You just implied the producers/writers was planning on naming him Zimmerman but EMH forced their hand? :eek:

What you said mostly supports what I said, they didn't really take the issue seriously. That's what I meant by not actively avoiding giving him a name. They were pretty much meh, like with lot of decisions thinking we fans wouldn't notice or care.
 
You know the EMH isn't real, right? You just implied the producers/writers was planning on naming him Zimmerman but EMH forced their hand?

Not at all. Early on, he said "I would like a name". The original plan was that they would give him one: Dr. Zimmerman. The plan was sufficiently entrenched that early Voyager promo material assigned that name to him. But for whatever reason (possibly because Dr. Z. was a character in his own right), they didn't do it. And, none the the names he assigned himself (Kenneth, Schweitzer, van Gogh) stuck either.

What you said mostly supports what I said, they didn't really take the issue seriously. That's what I meant by not actively avoiding giving him a name. They were pretty much meh, like with lot of decisions thinking we fans wouldn't notice or care.

I don't know... there was a similar issue with another crew member that had almost certainly begun generating complaints by the end of S6. But the writers clung to their original plan like a two-year-old with someone else's teddy. So if anyone did express their grievance about the Doc remaining nameless, I doubt it mattered.
 
They were pretty much meh, like with lot of decisions thinking we fans wouldn't notice or care.
I mean, that's part of their job. They don't expect fans to rise up in the way that they do regarding the smaller details. I think in preliminary materials Neelix was considered to be the "breakout character" in line with Spock, and Data, for the crew, not the Doctor.

That said, I think the Doctor's name would have been appropriate to utilize when he becomes an author.
 
I have a question about where to post something: two awesome combat compilations of the Defiant on YouTube with music ovelaid over them, where should I post them on this forum?
 
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