General Trek Questions and Observations

[cooleddie74]

That episode is a perfect blend of '90s Trek with TOS sensibilities and horror elements. It's always been creepy but over the years the effectiveness of the story and of Michael McKean's performance as the Clown grow. So much emotional weight in a standalone episode about a holographic simulation to keep people in survival hibernation alert and aware, and starring a clown as the main villain, no less.

 

[Summer Solstice]

That episode is a perfect blend of '90s Trek with TOS sensibilities and horror elements. It's always been creepy but over the years the effectiveness of the story and of Michael McKean's performance as the Clown grow. So much emotional weight in a standalone episode about a holographic simulation to keep people in survival hibernation alert and aware, and starring a clown as the main villain, no less.

Totally agree. The Thaw gave me nightmares when I first saw it. It's one of my favourite episodes. It's worth listening to the Delta Flyers podcast episode about it - they interviewed Marvin Rush about the choices he made as the director.

 

[cooleddie74]

VOY ranks near the bottom of my list of Trek series by preference but damn, when that show knocked it out of the ballpark they hit a grand slam. That's just an amazing episode.

 

[fireproof78]

Episodic science fiction is what VOY did best. The Thaw is a great example of that.

Ugh. No. Creepy insipid shock horror is not enjoyable.

 

[gweeps]

This is a great Q & A.

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[gweeps]

I was thinking by the end of 2023 we should have seen at least another 90 Trek episodes air.

SNW seasons 1&2, 20 episodes
Picard season 3, 10 episodes
LD seasons 3&4, 20 episodes
Prodigy second half of s1/full s2, 30 episodes
Discovery season 5, 10 episodes

 

[trekshark]

Probably just symbolism.

Like when worf resigned by taking his off and dropping it on Picard's desk

 

[Commander Troi]

The creepiest moment in VOY may be this:

DAMN. I forgot about that episode. Janeway is *such* a badass here and Michael McKean is awesome (as always).

Given that we've got five series active and apparently going strong, I'd say we might be headed into a second one. Or at least a Silver Age.

^ What he said. *nodding*

 

[dupersuper]

I've ranked the "Q-centric" episodes from TNG, DS9 and Voyager best to worst ...

What say you? Or should I ask, what say Q?

I'd go:
Q Who 10/10
Deja Q 9.5/10
Tapestry 9/10
All Good Things 8.5/10
QPid 8/10
Death Wish 8/10
Encounter at Farpoint 7/10
Q Less 6.5/10
True Q 6/10
Q2 3/10
Hide & Q 2/10
The Q and the Grey 1.5/10

 

[Oddish]

Deja Q: 9.5
Q Who: 8.5
Tapestry: 8.5
All Good Things: 8
Death Wish: 7
Encounter: 6.5
Q and the Gray: First part: 10, second part: 5

Q Pid, Q2, True Q: Need to review, it's been awhile.
Hide and Q: Don't intend to watch this dreck again.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Q Who: 8
Déjà Q: 7.5
Hide and Q: 7.5
Death Wish: 7
Encounter at Farpoint: 6
Qpid: 6
The Q and the Grey: 5.5
Q-Less: 4.5

I haven't seen the others recently enough to rate them.

 

[cooleddie74]

Q Who?: 9
Deja Q: 9
Hide and Q: 7
Death Wish: 10
Encounter at Farpoint: 7
Qpid: 4
The Q and the Grey: 1
Q-Less: 7
Q2: 5

 

[Oddish]

I want to see Q2 first just to see if Keegan has his dad's knack for being Q.

 

[at Quark's]

Given that we've got five series active and apparently going strong, I'd say we might be headed into a second one. Or at least a Silver Age.

QUOTE: The creepiest moment in VOY may be this:
The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. Unless you're Captain Janeway. Then, fear itself fears you.

It's one of the problems I have with the 'larger than life' Janeway portrayal. Or rather, with the enemies around her. I'd have liked to see her run into enemies that don't bow to her (even when she 'wins') slightly more often than she did. For example, the guy from Persistence of Vision that kept mocking her even after Janeway thought she captured him. That's something we very rarely see in the later seasons, if ever.

 

[Oddish]

Even Mr. Persistence never pestered her again. Because he knew he'd had a near miss with the Chuck Norris of Star Trek and didn't want to risk a rematch.

 

[at Quark's]

He only seems to have operated within Botha space anyway, and not beyond that (as that was marked as 'dangerous' and Janeway was warned before she entered it). You could as easily interpret the situation as that Janeway never dared to return there

(In reality, I see the 'resolution' as a draw. Voyager was able to repel the attack, but not to capture the aggressor and they could do nothing else but continue on their journey)

 

[Oddish]

One of the few people to tangle with the Janeway and force a draw...

 

[gweeps]

Even Mr. Persistence never pestered her again. Because he knew he'd had a near miss with the Chuck Norris of Star Trek and didn't want to risk a rematch.

It was Kes, not Janeway, who deserved the credit for scaring that creature off,

Janeway was always getting the crew into trouble though. And rarely did anybody stand up to her. If Voyager was more realistic, she'd have been in the brig a few times.

 

[gweeps]

One of the few people to tangle with the Janeway and force a draw...

I can't remember the episode, but there was a brother and sister who needed the crew's help, and at one point the sister calls Janeway a "coward".

 

[Tenacity]

we've got five series active and apparently going strong

Hard to say going strong without numbers on the various series.

Plus there's the time period from the last movie to now, with a follow on movie uncertain. Star Trek is in existance, but more than that?