General Trek Questions and Observations
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It doesn't kill you and make a copy. Prove me wrong. Transporters in Star Trek are contiguous and the person going in is the same person coming out.
Jaunting was teleporting by mental power alone without machinery in Alfred Bester's The Stars my Destination (1956) and in The Tomorrow People (1973-79) though techology culd assist with Jaunting in that show.. It is possible that "jaunting" was also mentioned in the 1992-95 The Tomorrow People series and the 2013--2014 series.
Not in Star Trek, where it "just" rips you apart on the molecular level, sends your molecules somewhere else at light speed and then resembles you, all without killing you.
We have seen people having conversations when being transported, we got an "inside" view of what being transported looks like with Barclay. And the Federation is both anti-killing and anti-cloning.
The evidence is that in Star Trek, transporters are non-lethal.
I mean that's why they have the beams. To keep a person's molecules from dissipating and floating out into the universe.
Darn. I was trying to loose weight.
You could configure a transporter to eliminate a small quantity of superfluous fat, I guess. Assuming you survived the systemic shock of rematerializing without it.
In the same light, remember how Pulaski was restored to her proper age in "Contagion"? What's to stop a savvy transporter tech from reducing your physical age slightly every time you transport? Assuming the transporter isn't a murder machine, it could be an immortality machine.
In the same light, remember how Pulaski was restored to her proper age in "Contagion"? What's to stop a savvy transporter tech from reducing your physical age slightly every time you transport? Assuming the transporter isn't a murder machine, it could be an immortality machine.
Well, the issues with Star Trek not acknowledging that they basically discovered a Fountain of Youth in Contagion get discussed frequently.
The information is being studied by top men.
Actually, in "Day of the Dove" what Spock describes as risky is actually what Kirk has defined as any use of the transporter to beam from one section of a ship to another [http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/66.htm]:
KIRK: We can't get through the Klingon defences in time, unless. Spock. Intra-ship beaming from one section to another. It's possible?
SPOCK: It has rarely been done because of the danger involved. Pinpoint accuracy is required. If the transportee should materialise inside a solid object, a deck or wall.
SPOCK: It has rarely been done because of the danger involved. Pinpoint accuracy is required. If the transportee should materialise inside a solid object, a deck or wall.
The prefix "intra-" means "within," after all, so "intra-ship beaming" literally means beaming from one part of a ship to another, within it.
Also, there's no mention of (b) as relevant. Option (c) is you own interpretation of events that lacks direct support, as there is no indication that the pinwheel entity has altered the normal operation of the transporter. We can always appeal to the idea that things might be other than we have direct evidence to conclude that they are, but making that appeal ad infinitum can never get us anywhere.
Rather, the applicability of what Spock says about the danger involved hinges on whether transport without the use of a transporter pad is possible at all in TOS. If site-to-site transport is possible with TOS tech, even though we never saw it used*, then logically intra-ship beaming in a site-to-site mode is also dangerous, or otherwise Spock spoke incorrectly.
The clincher is that, on the other hand, if site-to-site transport isn't even possible with TOS tech, then the idea that it's safe to do with TOS tech is utter nonsense.
Either way, "Day of the Dove" establishes as canonically as anything can be established that site-to-site transport within a ship cannot be safely accomplished in TOS.
* - Recall that in "The Cloud Minders," when the High Advisor is beamed from Stratos to the zenite mine, Scotty first beams him onto the transporter pad.
TOS Day of the Dove.
But only with Top Men.
Yes. This has got nothing explicit to do with site-to-site, then. And nothing of the sort ultimately takes place.
It's also complete bull: transportation always requires pinpoint accuracy, or Kirk would materialize with his feet inside the ground or his hands inside McCoy's ass half the time. So either Spock is confused (which is true of everybody else in that episode, the evil entity being the openly indicated cause of that), or then he's saying one thing while meaning something completely different, and Kirk is fluent in his odd Spockisms and doesn't see a reason to clarify. Either way, he's free to sprout said bull without creating an obligation in us to believe.
No. But since we know intraship beaming is normally perfectly safe, and has been since Archer's days, arguing that uncontrollable warping was the issue here is more or less our only chance of saving Spocks reputation as a guy who knows his shit. Apart from Spock having an off day for excusable reasons, that is.
Yet it's the only thing that is relevant in the entire episode; everything else is just the characters going through the motions.
What reason do we have to think that Spock would be telling the truth? In this episode, the default assumption is the opposite. There was no colony in distress to launch the adventure. There was no attack to make the Klingon ship to blow up. Nothing that happens is what it seems, even when it does happen - yet our heroes always assume the stupidest and most damaging interpretation is true. They are being led on a leash from opening credits to end credits at the very least, and presumably were for quite some time before the audience joined the adventure.
Us (or the heroes) believing that intraship beaming is dangerous is no more reasonable than us (or the heroes) believing that Chekov has a brother. Sure, it may be true for all we know. But we don't know. So anything goes - and as regards beaming, the rest of Trek establishes intraship beaming as trivially simple (in the 2150s) , and separately establishes intraship site-to-site beaming as trivially simple (in the 2250s), so it's pretty safe to assume there never was a risk, just like there never was a colony. We simply lack the motivation to assume the opposite.
Why would it hinge on that? Spock never proposes not using a pad. He never engages in not using a pad. Spock is discussing different issues altogether.
And TOS stays mum on that particular issue, never putting any word edgewise on site-to-site. So we're back to discussing Star Trek instead - and in Star Trek, site-to-site is simple in the TNG/DS9/VGR and PIC eras and both of the DSC eras, while not witnessed in the TOS, TAS or ENT eras. It would seem pretty silly to assume that it ceases to be simple at some point of Trek pseudohistory, for no apparent reason.
It just stays neutral on that issue, is all, leaving the establishing to other Trek episodes which show site-to-site transport within a ship as being possible and safe and unworthy of comment a decade or so before "Day of the Dove".
"As anything can be" in turn leaves everything open to statistical analysis - and statements on site-to-site posing risks where pad-to-site or site-to-pad or pad-to-pad would not number zero in Star Trek.
What to make then of the single remark that intraship involving pad-to-site would pose risks? Well, we see it go smoooothly...
Which would be the prudent thing to do, as he only wants the High Advisor and not his daughter - and moments before had explicit trouble telling the two apart!
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Trekkies, or Trekkers, can book a number of options, including an early bird general admission price of $49.99 (regular price $80), $499 for a tour with Shatner himself, $160 for a photo, $80 for an autograph, or $1,500 for a “VIP All-Inclusive Package” featuring a dinner gala with Shatner plus the tour, photo, autograph and a “Bridge Chat.”
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