General Star Trek starship thread.

[Henoch]

don't know what the reference to XY-75847 is. Can you provide more info on that. For the moment, though about 2013 "starships", not all in active service, and around 150,000 total vessels in the Federation with various registries and roles (not just NCC) seems at least mostly reasonable to what is seen onscreen.

Help the noob (me):

1. So since the start of the registry numbering system, probably Earth based, there could have been up to 2013 "Starships" and up to 150,000 other ships over how long? Starfleet = ? years old. Federation = ~100 years or ?
2. I think these registry numbers are for Earth Starfleet, not the Federation.
   • Prior to "Arena", the ships (and their registry numbers) were under United Earth (probably shorten from UESPA) started in 'The Corbomite Maneuver".
   • Next it was called the United Earth Space Probe Agency (UESPA).
   • Then it was called Starfleet ("Court Martial" and "The Menagerie").
   • Then called both the Federation and Starfleet (Arena).
   • Then briefly it went back to UESPA and Starfleet (in "Tomorrow is Yesterday").
   • Then it was just Starfleet in "Space Seed".
   • Then it was the United Federation of Planets in "A Taste of Armageddon".
   • Then it finally settled with Starfleet, the Federation and The United Federation of Planets all together in one episode "Errand of Mercy". (whew)

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

Ok. Here goes.

The way you wrote things down is the way that the terminology evolved over the development of the show in its first season. Nowadays is generally accepted that:

-The United Federation of Planets is the governmental body, like a UN in space.

-Starfleet is an essentially naval armed service operating ships that explore and defend space that the Federation has at least debatable right to be in.

-UESPA is the oldest of these names picked for use on the show, early in the first season, but it seems that in the greater context it is either a part of Starfleet, or an earlier iteration of that service, and as such the Enterprise is sometime referred to as answering to UESPA.

I hope that clears it up a bit

 

[Henoch]

I hope that clears it up a bit

Sorry for mucking the question up.

I was sort asking for help on my #1 above. I have never heard of the German Tank question you and blssdwlf were using. I was trying to understand what conclusion it reached as to potential numbers of ships and whether this was over some time period, and if so, how long. My #2 was to point out that I think those numbers are only for Earth ships. That or the United Federation of Planets would have adopted the Earth registry system, which is okay.

 

[blssdwlf]

Sorry for mucking the question up.

I was sort asking for help on my #1 above. I have never heard of the German Tank question you and blssdwlf were using. I was trying to understand what conclusion it reached as to potential numbers of ships and whether this was over some time period, and if so, how long. My #2 was to point out that I think those numbers are only for Earth ships. That or the United Federation of Planets would have adopted the Earth registry system, which is okay.

No worries. The estimations are for a point in time, so the NCC numbers are for around "Court Martial" and the XY number around "Errand of Mercy". The XY number has only 1 sample so it's going to be more of a guess

I think your guess is as good as any as whether they are only for Earth ships or for something else.

 

[Timo]

Hmm. Doesn't the frequentist formula give the total production until the sampling timepoint instead? That is, it doesn't take into account any sort of operational losses or other withdrawals, or time intervals; one needs further data to derive "monthly production" and still further data to derive "current numbers".

So, a bit over 2000 ships produced till "Court Martial", assuming they started with NCC-01. Production rate would come from dividing that across the X years of Starfleet existence, and current numbers might be derived from considering the witnessed Constitution losses.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[thribs]

NCC-01 is supposed to be Archer’s Enterprise.
I see the numbers representing what series the ship is.
100 series the Daedalus Class
1700 series the Constitution Class
74600 series the Intrepid Class
Etc.

 

[Timo]

NCC-01 is supposed to be Archer’s Enterprise.

Actually, I think it isn't. As ENT wraps up, a big deal is made of the hero ship retiring just before the founding of the UFP and its Starfleet. Which serves continuity well, because then there has never been a starship named Enterprise in the UFP Starfleet before Kirk's vessel, and the many indirect references to Kirk's being the first can stand.

Some want to argue NCC-01 was named Dauntless, because a fake starship by the registry NX-01-A or NX-01A is given that name in an evil scheme in VOY "Hope and Fear" and our heroes don't think there's anything amiss - the assumption there is that the registry would be an homage similar to NCC-1701-A and "retain the name". Nothing wrong with that as such, although I wouldn't depend on it.

I see the numbers representing what series the ship is.
100 series the Daedalus Class
1700 series the Constitution Class
74600 series the Intrepid Class
Etc.

And that's the problematic bit, as there are so many takers for each 100 range of registries in the general case, let alone each 1000 range. Plus, if one class eats up 100 registries at a gulp, shouldn't Starfleet in Kirk's time be up to NCC-123456, with a dozen ships per class or whatever?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[thribs]

I know Archer’s ship was decommissioned before the Federation was set up but I get the feeling they left that registry out to honour the ship.

I think some classes use the same 100 slot as others. Perhaps if only a few are made of that ship or something. Could explain why the Crossfied Class is in the 1000 series. Perhaps the Bonaventure Class (the Class I’m assuming is that) only took up 20 or so slots and so the Crossfield used the others.

 

[blssdwlf]

Hmm. Doesn't the frequentist formula give the total production until the sampling timepoint instead? That is, it doesn't take into account any sort of operational losses or other withdrawals, or time intervals; one needs further data to derive "monthly production" and still further data to derive "current numbers".

So, a bit over 2000 ships produced till "Court Martial", assuming they started with NCC-01. Production rate would come from dividing that across the X years of Starfleet existence, and current numbers might be derived from considering the witnessed Constitution losses.

Right, the frequentist approach just estimates the total production of ships with the NCC registry up till the sampling point (in this case, "Court Martial"). It doesn't tell us when the production started (so we don't know the production rate) and it doesn't account for losses, production gaps, or deceptive numbering schemes, etc. It's just a simple estimate of how other NCC ships there are at the time of "Court Martial".