General "Likes" and "Dislikes" Regarding Kelvinverse

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Vger23, Jul 31, 2016.

  1. KyleRaynous

    KyleRaynous Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2017
    Location:
    Argentina
    Unfortunately. That's why I would have liked the new films to start putting some order into this. Since Star Trek tried to create a universe with a certain degree of complexity, they could have tried to respect more these rules. In other fantasy universes such as Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones, there is an acceptable relationship between time / distance of travel that is fairly respected throughout the plot (in GOT, only books, since the TV series gave Varys and Littlefinger teleporters).

    So, if women are the ones who seek revenge (let's say, a Beatrix Kiddo-type) everything would be okay? XD Still, I do agree the villains of the movies seem to be only motivated by revenge.
     
  2. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2016
    Location:
    London
    I could not care less if they use a male, female or a sentient racoon every time but please X seeking revenge, I, II and III was getting on my nerves
     
  3. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    between Cogito ergo sum and E pluribus unum
    To be fair, all the shows how exploding console issues too. Maybe it was a trade off for lens flares ;)
     
  4. Tenacity

    Tenacity Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2016
    If it's obvious then you should be able to point to a quote from Space Seed or TWOK.
    The only time Spock directly speaks to Khan is in the after dinner scene in Space Seed. Spock throws terms like tyranny and petty dictatorships at Khan to get a reaction out of him.

    When does Spock accuses Khan of genocide? Because it isn't in the only scene in which Spock ever speaks to Khan.
     
  5. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Location:
    The visitor's bullpen
    ^ It's in STID.
     
  6. Hela

    Hela Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2015
    Location:
    Hela
    Khan doesn't affirm it either. Writers leaving themselves wiggle room, I'd wager.
     
  7. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Location:
    The glorious Shetland Isles!
    Likes:
    Wide variety of aliens
    Karl Urban's McCoy

    Dislikes:
    Pretty much everything else
     
  8. stardream

    stardream Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2015
    Location:
    in the Time Wave
    I really like the cast. I like the way they interpret the characters and I like them as people. I also like the fact that they have already established careers and won't be typecast by this.
    I like the new timeline. Anything can happen. New adventures, new takes on old adventures...
    I like the character arcs. The way Kirk grows and the evolving friendships between the big three.
    I LIKED seeing Leonard Nimoy as Spock again.
    The new aliens...
    The special effects. The wonder...

    I didn't like the over the top never-ending action sequences but that is a complaint I have about other action adventure movies. King Kong, Transformers, ITD, Beyond and countless do this. There is a great dramatic explosive scene and we all calm down only for them to build up and have ANOTHER great dramatic explosive climax. Stop that.
    While I liked the new aliens I agree we could have seen some familiar faces in the crowd.
    Seeking revenge...I agree. Getting old.
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2017
    Armus likes this.
  9. Tenacity

    Tenacity Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2016
    Ahh, the alternate universe, with the alternate Khan.

    The misunderstanding was mine.
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 10, 2005
    Location:
    The visitor's bullpen
    ^ Khan predates the divergence, so there is no "alternate Khan".

    And no, I don't give 50 shades of shit what Simon Pegg said.
     
  11. MadeIndescribable

    MadeIndescribable Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Location:
    England, South West of
    I really respected how with '09, Abrams' and co had a lot of boxes to tick in terms of pleasing hardcore to passive fans from however many generations there had been over the previous 40+ years, and still produce something that would appeal to a general mainstream audience, and although you can't please everyone, they pretty much suceeded on every count.

    And then I hated them for Into Darkness. Whitewashing Khan so they could transcend levels of homage, plagiarism, to outright ridicule..... I thought the whole point of a new verse was to tell new stories?
     
  12. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    between Cogito ergo sum and E pluribus unum
    Not when TWOK is the "best Star Trek film ever" and Khan is the "Greatest Star Trek Villain ever!!!!"

    You can't get past it. Every second film in each series has been a TWOK rehash of some shape, matter or form.
     
  13. Mirror_Barclay

    Mirror_Barclay Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2006
    Likes:

    They're fun.
    Good acting for many of them throughout, and Kirk in Beyond
    Brought Trek back in some form

    Dislikes

    They're all flawed; the first one rushes things too much, the second is a rehash, the third has an incredibly uncompelling villain
    Pine/Kirk is hard to believe, especially as a captain, in the first two films
    Trek is better on TV
    Would rather have seen a new crew than a rehash of the first one

    Overall, all three films are ok - worth watching, but not among the best (or the worst)
     
  14. Herbert

    Herbert Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Location:
    In the sad land of Malloy :(
    Likes
    Entertaining movies. I enjoyed them for what they were
    I like Chris Pine

    Dislikes
    I don't care for reinventing universes. To me these Trek movies are not true Trek. More like alternate reality versions of the real thing
    I can't buy Quinto as Spock. I keep expecting him to start sawing off heads and stealing powers
     
  15. Armus

    Armus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2003
    Location:
    Massachusetts, USA
    I dig the music, the costumes, and the cast. That's it. The scripts are clunky, unfocused, and too long. The action scenes are too choppy and over the top and I don't find them exciting at all. Sometimes less is more. I did enjoy the Khan movie in the theaters but I couldn't sit through a DVD rewatch.
     
  16. publiusr

    publiusr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    I like that the ships are large. Star Wars set the standard--and it's good to see Trek responding.
     
  17. Onid

    Onid Ensign Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2017
    My main dislike are weak villains.
    There are a lot of likes.
     
  18. Mad Jack Wolfe

    Mad Jack Wolfe Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2008
    Likes:
    • The cast. Karl Urban's McCoy is wonderfully spot on.
    • The visual effects are, on the whole, good.
    • Interesting ship designs and aliens.
    • Enjoyable musical scoring.
    Dislikes:
    • Weak scripts with plot holes big enough to fly the Vengeance through. Sideways.
    • Over the top, arcade game action sequences to distract one's attention from the weak story.
    • Transwarp transporters, magic blood, and other deus ex machina tomfoolery when the writers paint themselves into a corner.
    • Cumber-Khan the Head Squisher. I love Ben as Sherlock and in other roles, but this didn't work at all.
    • Not being able to remember the villain in Beyond because he was that forgettable.
    • That shredding the Enterprise appears to be a standard plot point now.
    • Using blaring music to blow up the bad guys at the end of Beyond. Seriously, that's how Attack of the Killer Tomatoes ended. That alone made me happy I didn't see the film at the cinema.
    • The ubiquitous ridiculous lens flares.
    • Kirk's utterly nonsensical Starfleet career.
    Those are the main ones.