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Season 4 is still my favorite. Species 10-C was the best concept the series ever had.
Based on what I can suss out from how the season was structured and the long production pause they had to take, I'm fairly certain the Control storyline was added after the change in showrunners. Spock was never supposed to show up in person during season 2 at all, and Ethan Peck was only cast during that production pause. The season's original theme was science vs. faith, which we saw set up especially in episodes like "New Eden" with Pike being devout. The hastily scribbled-out and whited-over "man vs. AI" theme still doesn't land with me, and I think season 2 is weakened considerably because of it.
Such a damn good use of good sci-fi to create a truly alien species. Unfortunately for season 4... if it had been 10 episodes like season 5, it would be nearer the top of my list. I know I've talked about it before, but the arc drags really hard in the middle, and I still don't think the season needed Tarka as an antagonist. The existential, V'ger-level threat of the DMA easily could've carried the narrative without having to lean on the crutch of a specific bad guy.
Was any of the Enterprise crew supposed to show up originally, or was it just Spock?
Not sure. I just know they've revealed in interviews that Peck wasn't cast until that pause.
I'm waiting for the day someone writes an oral history about Discovery's production so we all could get the details about what the original structure of season 2 was.
OH OK I didn't know that, thinking the Control story was part of the plan and it was the thing that got shortened, my mistake. I just felt like, I don't know I just felt like it was supposed to have gone a little longer. Start of season 3 had me thinking Detmer's implants were affected somehow by it as well but I was wrong of course.
The decision to have Spock in the season wasn't made until after Berg and Harberts were fired. Or rather, the decision to include adult Spock. Per Jonathan Frakes in April 2018, Spock was only supposed to be featured in S2 as a child in flashbacks. Pike was always going to be a part of S2, indeed Akiva Goldsman was shocked he wasn't originally included in S1, saying "how can you have a Star Trek series set in this era and not include Pike? What's the point to being in this era?" Rebecca Romijn was cast as Number One while Harberts and Berg were still in charge.
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Adds to my three-timeline theory. On top of "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow". I'm a pretty huge fan of Discovery (probably the understatement of the century) and if I don't have a problem with it being a third timeline, then neither should other people.
I stand by my opinion that if I am thinking about timelines while watching a story, and worrying over what Klingons belong to what timeline then the story has failed on a fundamental level to engage me.
Just to be 100% clear, so there's no confusion or misunderstanding, this is all after-the-fact discussion on my end. This hasn't, doesn't, and never will affect my enjoyment while watching.
Maybe one day I'll do a rewatch of DISCO one day. I doubt my opinion can get worse.
My opinion is that if a story has failed on a fundamental level to engage me, it might be because it's got me worrying about what Klingons belong to what timeline.
Not that there's anything canonical to support this, but I'm further inclined to headcanon the idea that the Klingons used ancient proto-Klingon DNA circa 2240s to attempt to restore their original Klingon genome. The results were mixed(DSC, TMP), but the process was refined by the 2280s. Of course, many Klingons chose not to because of skepticism(TOS).
Or there are DISCO Klingons in other realities
That's all it was. There are similar or the same in other universes.
Like there are numerous Will Rikers and Worfs and Datas who all look identical to their parallel universe counterparts or are so close as to be practically identical.
Like there are numerous Will Rikers and Worfs and Datas who all look identical to their parallel universe counterparts or are so close as to be practically identical.
Showing TNG Klingons transforming into Disco Klingons does prove one thing: they don't look the same in-universe. They're not a visual retcon, they really do look different from the point of view of characters in that reality. This raises further questions, but I like questions way more than I like retcons, so I'm happy.
I knew you would say that from my experiences with you in the other universe.
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