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I'm through episode 12 of season 1, and even though I knew both character twists beforehand, I still enjoyed them.
Going through some of the episode threads now and I think maybe it was for the best I wasn't watching "live." Seems like there are a bunch of people who are intent on figuring out every secret and plot direction of a TV show or movie in advance, then get pissed when they're proven right. What kind of a life is that? Doesn't seem like you watch entertainment for entertainment value.
Going through some of the episode threads now and I think maybe it was for the best I wasn't watching "live." Seems like there are a bunch of people who are intent on figuring out every secret and plot direction of a TV show or movie in advance, then get pissed when they're proven right. What kind of a life is that? Doesn't seem like you watch entertainment for entertainment value.
But it's some of the Trek fans that do that to themselves.
Speaking of Disco when we first saw Lorca did anyone catch a scene that showed a reflection in his eye that was of the universe, subtle hint there that he was from the MU, in episode 3 of season 1
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Up until the very conclusion of Season 2, Section 31 isn't operating from the shadows in the 23rd Century; they're a recognized and sanctioned 'branch' of Starfleet Intelligence.
It's only during the 22nd and 24th Centuries that they are operating as a 'rogue state' group.
Even in the 24th century, Section 31 seemed to be an open secret among the upper echelons of Starfleet. The fact that nothign came of an enquiry from a respected and well connected Captain like Sisko says a lot.
The entirety of the Starfleet admiralty and all of the Federation Council in the 24th Century could be aware of Section 31's existence and they'd still be able to operate "from the shadows" because there was no formal oversight or sanctioning of their activities, which was very much not the case in the 23rd Century.
https://deadline.com/2020/05/cbs-al...-films-and-shows-global-expansion-1202928536/
Smart move is Discovery S3 will be delayed to launch alongside the rebrand, alongside The Stand and A Higher Loyalty.
Smart move is Discovery S3 will be delayed to launch alongside the rebrand, alongside The Stand and A Higher Loyalty.
Sorry, I'm sure it's my error, but where is that mentioned in the source above? I can't seem to find it?
It doesn't mention Discovery at all in that article, although it has a brief reference to Picard. But All Access is having a massive rebrand/"reboot" in the summer with a launch of summer shows. Xavi is conjecturing that Discovery may be among them. To drive up the subscriber count and re-subscriber count with a slate of new films and shows as opposed to launching it much later or somehow before. Both options would negatively effect the affects of the rebrand.
Oh, I get that, and what you say here makes sense. It's just that Xavi's statement about Discovery sounded to me like it was stated as fact, not conjecture--hence my question.
For the record, I got your joke and enjoyed it.
When people say Harry Mudd wasn't a murderer in TOS, there's something implied in "Mudd's Women" that they never do anything with. Harry Mudd says he assumes the name of Leo Walsh, the captain of the ship he was on, after something "unfortunate" happened.
That's too much of a coincidence and they gloss over it because I don't think that's what they wanted to make the episode about, but I think Harry Mudd killed Leo Walsh and made it look like an accident, so he wouldn't be charged with murder. Which would be much more serious than whatever other shenanigans he would've been charged with.
They couldn't make a murderer into a lovable rouge on 1960s TV, so they glossed over it. But I think it fits Harry Mudd's depiction in DSC and their intent to depict him in a way that wouldn't have ever been allowed back then.
Even by Harry Mudd's second appearance in TOS, they softened out his more explicit rough edges. He went from drug-smuggling space pimp to lousy no good husband.
That's too much of a coincidence and they gloss over it because I don't think that's what they wanted to make the episode about, but I think Harry Mudd killed Leo Walsh and made it look like an accident, so he wouldn't be charged with murder. Which would be much more serious than whatever other shenanigans he would've been charged with.
They couldn't make a murderer into a lovable rouge on 1960s TV, so they glossed over it. But I think it fits Harry Mudd's depiction in DSC and their intent to depict him in a way that wouldn't have ever been allowed back then.
Even by Harry Mudd's second appearance in TOS, they softened out his more explicit rough edges. He went from drug-smuggling space pimp to lousy no good husband.
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I dunno. I’m not sure they couldn’t have been more explicit about it if they wanted. That was the decade that gave us a laugh-track sitcom about the Nazis.
Also, A Piece of the Action plays mob bosses for laughs. There’s even a drive-by shooting.
I tend to think how they handled Harry was more a matter of understanding tone than anything. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. (Take note, Discovery.)
Also, A Piece of the Action plays mob bosses for laughs. There’s even a drive-by shooting.
I tend to think how they handled Harry was more a matter of understanding tone than anything. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. (Take note, Discovery.)
It was a sitcom about POWs/spies.
... in a prison camp run by ... ?
Have you seen the show? The Nazis are the comic foils every week. The breakout characters were two Nazis. Lots more stop by.
Or should we insist we know nothink?
I devoured the show. A friend and I wrote a film treatment based on it.
The camp was run by an incompetent Luftwaffe officer and a bumbling Sergeant. Klink and Schultz were not Nazis.
The Nazis were the antagonists, the show was not about them. It was about our plucky Allies heroes stopping their nasty plans with the unknowing assistance of Klink and Schultz.
I saw some episodes of Hogan's Heroes on TV Land probably around 1999 or 2000. Beyond that, I'm not super-familiar with it, but I think I know enough.
Luftwaffe and his underlings struck me as totally incompetent and complete fools. The only reason the Good Guys couldn't escape was because if they did, there wouldn't be a series. The same reason why Gilligan couldn't ever get off the island.
I liken Harry Mudd to the Joker. When he was introduced in 1940, he was a killer. Then, after that, up through the '50s and '60s, they turned him into someone who was more like a prankster who wasn't really doing anything that bad. Then, in 1973, they turned him into a killer again. (Then we get to 1988 where he's crippling Barbara Gordon and killing Jason Todd, but that's a whole other story... )
The idea was that killers and other serious criminals couldn't be sympathetic and that crime always pays. It's the Hays Code (and Comics Code) mentality that was in place in the mid-century. Harry Mudd never got away with his schemes so that covers "crime never pays" but we (or at least I) kind of liked him after his two TOS appearances. If they outright said he killed Leo Walsh in "Mudd's Women", I don't think they ever would've tried to make him likable.
I didn't like the Nazis in Hogan's Heroes. It was more like "What are these buffoons up to now?" If I was laughing, it was at them, not with them. And we all know the Nazis ultimately ended up losing the War. So, for the purposes of Hogan's Heroes, we know the joke's on them and they won't "get away with it".
Luftwaffe and his underlings struck me as totally incompetent and complete fools. The only reason the Good Guys couldn't escape was because if they did, there wouldn't be a series. The same reason why Gilligan couldn't ever get off the island.
I liken Harry Mudd to the Joker. When he was introduced in 1940, he was a killer. Then, after that, up through the '50s and '60s, they turned him into someone who was more like a prankster who wasn't really doing anything that bad. Then, in 1973, they turned him into a killer again. (Then we get to 1988 where he's crippling Barbara Gordon and killing Jason Todd, but that's a whole other story... )
The idea was that killers and other serious criminals couldn't be sympathetic and that crime always pays. It's the Hays Code (and Comics Code) mentality that was in place in the mid-century. Harry Mudd never got away with his schemes so that covers "crime never pays" but we (or at least I) kind of liked him after his two TOS appearances. If they outright said he killed Leo Walsh in "Mudd's Women", I don't think they ever would've tried to make him likable.
I didn't like the Nazis in Hogan's Heroes. It was more like "What are these buffoons up to now?" If I was laughing, it was at them, not with them. And we all know the Nazis ultimately ended up losing the War. So, for the purposes of Hogan's Heroes, we know the joke's on them and they won't "get away with it".
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Not quite. The good guys were there to conduct espionage and sabotage behind enemy lines. It was their job. Being POWs was their cover.
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