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Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Lord Garth, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Vice Admiral Admiral

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    ^ A story being set in the past doesn't mean it's a flashback.

    And having now seen The Sound of Thunder, it seems pretty straightforward that the proper sequential placement of The Brightest Star would be as a direct prelude to that episode.

    As for Runaway, the only place it really fits based on the descriptions I've read of its events is between "New Eden" and "Point of Light" due to the fact that, from the latter episode on, everything involving Tilly is one continuous story up until the end of "Saints of Imperfection", and then " The Sound of Thunder" starts another pretty continuous story involving the hunt for Spock really kicking into high gear.
     
  2. Grendelsbayne

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    I mean obviously you need to watch it in the order that makes the most sense to you, and really with the Brightest Star I honestly don't think it matters - it's interesting to watch but it isn't in any way necessary. You'd be fine even if you never watched it at all, though I think it was a nice story to see. But since you asked for advice - seemingly because the natural flow of the story really matters to you a lot - I really, really wouldn't advise watching the finale without having seen Runaway. I didn't find the introduction of the new character even remotely well done in the finale - if they were even trying to treat her as a new character being introduced, because it honestly felt like they just counted her as this person the audience already knows, no introduction needed.

    Granted, she isn't the be all and end all of the finale plot line, so maybe it won't matter that much to you if that one element doesn't work. Only you can guess how important that will or won't be to you.

    Also - you seem to already have some knowledge of what all of this is about, so maybe you've already been spoiled to some extent, but I would also definitely say that the finale is a huge spoiler for Runaway, if that's something that matters to you.
     
  3. Tuskin38

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    I wish cbs would give us anew trailer or at least some new publicity images
     
  4. Agony_Boothb

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    Then why ask people to whether you should watch the shorts or not?
     
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  5. Yistaan

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    Shockwave's cliffhanger on Enterprise of 31st century Earth in ruins won't seem so shocking now if Discovery reveals the same thing happens anyway just 100 years later. We know the 31st century Federation was just fine from Enterprise. So what happens in just 100 years that ruins it all?
     
  6. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    Stuff, bad stuff.
     
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  7. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

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    The time period discovery is heading to is 181 years into Daniels future. That is plenty of time for things to go wrong.
     
  8. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I just watched all of ENT, not too long ago. Daniels doesn't actually say anything about the state of the Federation in his time. He tries to talk about the Federation as little to Archer as possible, other than to say Archer is key to its founding.

    And @Agony_Boothb is right too. The difference between Daniels' time and Discovery's new time is like the difference for us between 1840 and 2020.

    But if DSC's future turns out to be incompatible with ENT's, I'll just blame it on the Temporal Cold War.
     
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  9. fireproof78

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    War, pandemic, interstellar disaster. 100 years is a long time for stuff to go wrong.
     
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  10. DigificWriter

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    I'm possibly the only Star Trek fan in history who has never seen either The Cage or The Menagerie and, in addition, who has only been a fan of the TOS characters since 2009, which made watching Light and Shadows and If Memory Serves a very interesting experience both for what they contributed to Pike's character as portrayed by Anson Mount and what they told us about the relationship between Burnham and Spock.

    I also particularly enjoyed If Memory Serves because it's an unequivocal slap-down by DSC's production team of the already patently nonsensical objection to the series being a piece of Star Trek Canon, which makes me happy as an ardent supporter of the series and Star Trek in general.

    @fireproof78 I love your signature and don't remember it being there before. Is it new?
     
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  11. Lord Garth

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    I recommend "The Cage". There's one particular scene I don't like (you'll know it when you see it, because it'll be very obviously of the time), and a couple of other issues I have here and there, but otherwise I think it's worth watching. I'd say it's the best episode written by Gene Roddenberry. Which probably sounds like faint praise because he was more of an Idea Man than he was necessarily a Good Writer, but I legitimately think he wrote this as if his life depended on it. As if he finally got to do what he always wanted to do and had a chance to write and produce a space show. It's also a deep, personal story about Captain Pike.

    I started a thread about it with a killer opening post waaaaaaaay back when, somewhere in the 15-to-20 years ago range, that was unfortunately pruned a long time ago. But long story short: Gene Roddenberry packed a lot of concepts you'd later see in TOS and Star Trek in general into this one script. A lot of it's actually still relevant to today. Especially living in an imaginary world in your own bubble. And people's greatest fantasies are about what they can't have.

    "The Cage" and "Emissary" (DS9) were my favorite Star Trek pilots, until "Remembrance" (PIC) came along. All three have the main character at a crossroads in their life after suffering through a horrible personal tragedy that makes them want to shut down before they eventually snap out of it.
     
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  12. fireproof78

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    I think I added that about two weeks ago, maybe a little longer.
     
  13. DigificWriter

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    Hmm. I guess I just didn't notice it until now.

    It's kind of a companion to the second part of my signature, and it looks like we got both sentiments from the same source: Lucasfilm Story Group member Matt Martin.

    Anyway, back to Discovery discussion.

    I'm into the thick of Season 2 now and have to say that every episode I watch just keeps reaffirming why the series pretty quickly dethroned DS9 as my favorite Trek series.

    I've also got to give immense props to the series' supporting characters, whom I think don't get the credit they deserve. Discovery might just have the best cast of supporting characters since DS9 (even if we don't know a lot about the personal stories of some of them), and the unconventional structural setup of its main cast of characters makes for more opportunities to see more of them.
     
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  14. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I mean, who knows what's even going to happen tomorrow? :shrug:
     
  15. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Discovery will be fine as long as they don't say "We've been collapsed for 500 years!" or something, as Enterprise clearly shows otherwise.
     
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  16. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yeah I wasn't really thinking of Trek there, I've just been reading too much news lately. :sigh:
     
  17. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I was really hoping "Past Tense" (DS9) would get it wrong. Every other thing I saw when I was growing up that took place Today (give or take) got it wrong... but, no. Star Trek had to get it right.
     
  18. fireproof78

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    Can we get the transporters then.
     
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  19. Lord Garth

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    Yes, but we'll be in our 150s.
     
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  20. Tuskin38

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    This fits surprisingly well.


    The entire channel is also dedicated to just mashing up the Enterprise intro (Mirror one too) with other TV themes.
     
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