Spoilers General Disco Chat Thread

[Mechanoid1]

Just watched this on YouTube. Sounds interesting enough. Even plausible. What do folks here think?

Wow, that answers most of the issues I have about Discovery. Now lets see how the next 2 episodes actualy play out. I'm interested in Kurtzmans addressing issues by the end of this season. These long story arcs do take a toll on us viewers. 14 episodes to a story arc is causing allot of anticipation!

 

[PiotrB]

Just watched this on YouTube. Sounds interesting enough. Even plausible. What do folks here think?

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Repeating the theory from ENT times about the changed timeline by events from FC which would explain the more modern appearance of the world in this series. If, as then, it allows some people to sleep peacefully, it is good for them.

 

[Ravenswood]

It occurred to me today. I have a feeling we'll see Tenavik again.

Considering he's played by the same actor who played Kol, I predict sometime in the future some doubt will be thrown on who his father actually is.

 

[BillJ]

A few chapters into Section 31: Control by David Mack. He seems to have a lot more interesting take on the idea.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

I posted this a few pages ago.

Great minds think alike. Mine just does it a few clock cycles slower.

Might be what happens, might not. If the Borg in FC/ENT are what led to Control than it feeds into the idea that the timeline splintered off in First Contact. An idea that's been around since at least ENT. If that's the case, they'll have to recap all that info in an exposition frenzy. Could they? Sure. But I hope it's not the case.

Not having seen anything of Enterprise after the mid-point of Season 2 I was unaware the possibility of the timeline diverging at the point of First Contact. So couldn't the same logic be used to make the case this is the Kelvin timeline and not the TOS prime timeline?

The point of the video that struck me as most poignant was when it raised the issue that there did seem to be a strategy with Enterprise to set things up in a way to get around established canon going forward. That rings true to me because they seemed determined to incorporate some similar elements in the KT films. Now it seems that they are once again looking to go forward with "plan" that Enterprise was unable to carry out.

As far as the Control A.I., I was unaware that had roots in a previously published novel regarding S-31.

Regardless of how this turns out, I have to give them credit for being ambitious.

 

[DaveyNY]

Repeating the theory from ENT times about the changed timeline by events from FC which would explain the more modern appearance of the world in this series. If, as then, it allows some people to sleep peacefully, it is good for them.

I've been saying this about ENTERPRISE & FIRST CONTACT here on the BBS for the last two years.
That's certainly not a new idea.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

Star Trek fans seem to be very hard to please.

Honestly, I do not believe that one bit. Further more I do not believe there is any evidence to support it. Sure we can voice different opinions in various forums, however, when it comes down to it fans will rally around and reward quality. Quality screenwriting. Quality filmmaking. Quality acting. Most every Trek fan rallied around Abrams first Star Trek film in 2009, even me! Where folks started falling off the Bad Robot train is when each subsequent film was basically the same thing. Paramount saw a trend of diminishing returns. Not because fans are fickle. Because fans knew they were being short-changed and taken for granted.

Look at the variety of stories told in the TOS films. Sure, we can rank them differently but even Star Trek V has a charm to it. Even it's failure is somewhat endearing. Post TOS, Paramount got the idea all the films had to use The wrath of Kahn as a template. As great a film as TWoK was no one, in truth, wants every movie thereafter to be it's clone. Now, look at the sameness of J.J.'s efforts.

Whether by accident or on purpose, Gene Roddenberry's greatest contribution to Star Trek was a format open enough to handle storytelling of any genre. You could do space opera. You could do E.R.. You could do CSI, Law & Order: SUV. You could even do The Waltons if you wanted. Very few, if any, non-Star Trek series had a format able to do that. Trek had the cast and the premise to be able to tell a wide variety of stories. That is it's format. Yet Paramount sought to pigeon hold it as being this one vary narrow thing.

Now look at the excitement of a possible Quentin Tarantino Star Trek is generating. Why? Because it promises to be risky and different. It promises to challenge us. If the quality is there Star Trek fans will rally around the effort . We'll even see it 3 or 4 times just to make sure we "got it."

A reason why I like Star Trek Discovery is that the folks behind it are looking to expand the definition of what it is and not constrict it. There are many things I love about it. Somethings I hate. Somethings I don't quite get. Somethings I'd like to tweak. All in all though it engages me. As I've said before: It is willing to offend sensibilities and cause one to reflect. My God, that IS the true spirit of Star Trek. Not some gee-whiz novacaine to the brain action-flick ad infinitum.

Oops, time for my meds. LLAP.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Honestly, I do not believe that one bit. Further more I do not believe there is any evidence to support it. Sure we can voice different opinions in various forums, however, when it comes down to it fans will rally around and reward quality. Quality screenwriting. Quality filmmaking. Quality acting. Most every Trek fan rallied around Abrams first Star Trek film in 2009, even me! Where folks started falling off the Bad Robot train is when each subsequent film was basically the same thing. Paramount saw a trend of diminishing returns. Not because fans are fickle. Because fans knew they were being short-changed and taken for granted.

Look at the variety of stories told in the TOS films. Sure, we can rank them differently but even Star Trek V has a charm to it. Even it's failure is somewhat endearing. Post TOS, Paramount got the idea all the films had to use The wrath of Kahn as a template. As great a film as TWoK was no one, in truth, wants every movie thereafter to be it's clone. Now, look at the sameness of J.J.'s efforts.

Whether by accident or on purpose, Gene Roddenberry's greatest contribution to Star Trek was a format open enough to handle storytelling of any genre. You could do space opera. You could do E.R.. You could do CSI, Law & Order: SUV. You could even do The Waltons if you wanted. Very few, if any, non-Star Trek series had a format able to do that. Trek had the cast and the premise to be able to tell a wide variety of stories. That is it's format. Yet Paramount sought to pigeon hold it as being this one vary narrow thing.

Now look at the excitement of a possible Quentin Tarantino Star Trek is generating. Why? Because it promises to be risky and different. It promises to challenge us. If the quality is there Star Trek fans will rally around the effort . We'll even see it 3 or 4 times just to make sure we "got it."

A reason why I like Star Trek Discovery is that the folks behind it are looking to expand the definition of what it is and not constrict it. There are many things I love about it. Somethings I hate. Somethings I don't quite get. Somethings I'd like to tweak. All in all though it engages me. As I've said before: It is willing to offend sensibilities and cause one to reflect. My God, that IS the true spirit of Star Trek. Not some gee-whiz novacaine to the brain action-flick ad infinitum.

Oops, time for my meds. LLAP.

I LOVE DISCOVERY so I don't want it canned or otherwise ended early.

I really don't mind if they take risks and do something unexpected.

 

[Ravenswood]

A reason why I like Star Trek Discovery is that the folks behind it are looking to expand the definition of what it is and not constrict it. There are many things I love about it. Somethings I hate. Somethings I don't quite get. Somethings I'd like to tweak. All in all though it engages me. As I've said before: It is willing to offend sensibilities and cause one to reflect. My God, that IS the true spirit of Star Trek.

Ditto.
I've been watching Trek for fifty years, and speaking only for myself, I love DSC the way it is. The thought of some kind of reset, where we're returned to a world of adventure-of-the-week morality plays, simply annoys me, and I don't honestly know that I'd watch that with the same enthusiasm. We've had decades of that now, and I've since enjoyed it told a different way.

But if that's what happens, at least there'll be the pleasure of listening to people complain it's a retread, ripping off what went before, no original ideas, etc, etc, like back whem VOY and ENT were on.

 

[seigezunt]

Ugh, I finally watched the video. I have a big problem with theories about the show setting out to fix things that are only really problems to critics of the show. I kind of wish Kurtzmann would just tell the canonistas to go plant tubers.

 

[fireproof78]

Repeating the theory from ENT times about the changed timeline by events from FC which would explain the more modern appearance of the world in this series. If, as then, it allows some people to sleep peacefully, it is good for them.

I like the theory but the presentation left much to be desired.

Honestly, I do not believe that one bit. Further more I do not believe there is any evidence to support it.

I think part of it is is as much complaining there can be regardless of what production teams do. Even when individuals rallied around 09 there was a rather long stream of vehemence objection to Abrams, his style, his lack of Star Trek fan status and the like. It bothers me even more so when there is the perpetuation of constant misinformation, even in the video referred to within recent pages. The video producer accuses Kurtzman of ripping of a tardigrade from a book, when Kurtzman wasn't responsible for the tardigrade presentation.

I realize there is a multitude of opinions about Star Trek and what that constitutes in terms of entertainment value. However, I find that, regardless of presentation, there are always objections and that frustrates me because it feels like a lack of meaningful dialog.

Please note, this is not directed towards any specific poster or the like, just an aggregate of frustration of how I see reactions to something new.

 

[BillJ]

I kind of wish Kurtzmann would just tell the canonistas to go plant tubers.

He's the one keeping this stuff alive.

 

[Trekker4747]

Time Crystals?!

Fucking Boreth, Klignons and TIME CRYSTALS?!

 

[Lord Garth]

Time Crystals?!

Fucking Boreth, Klignons and TIME CRYSTALS?!

Control and the Red Angel too.

 

[Laurora]

As a new person here I'd like to tell you all what I think of Discovery. First, I look at TOS and love it for what it is but it's so dated. I own the movies TMP thru TFF and they thrilled me in their time. Now I feel they never really tried to do much more than make money. Those movies are only good for nostalgia for the original cast IMO
with very few good ideas/
I thought TNG was embarrassing to watch although as the show matured it wasn't as bad. The TNG movies were like long TV episodes but at least it looked good on the big screen. I didn't see all of them. They weren't very good really. Voyager, it was a cool looking ship but I remember as Janeway was gathering the crew on the first episode, the show was going to be a let down. DS9, I felt the same and by Enterprise I could barely care enough to tune in. Star Trek was over for me.

Then came the movies 1,2, 3 and the internet was telling me I should hate them for various reasons. But to me, the fun was back and I loved them. They were flawed but way better than anything I'd seen since TOS. I sure hope we get a fourth helping. Maybe a Tarantino version where Quentin plays the Q! That's the kind of stuff he does. I love that guy.

Anyways, I didn't feel like adding to my 200 a month TV bill and didn't watch season 1 of Discovery bit I kept up with it at the various BBs. Discovery, by all accounts was universally hated it seemed.

Then I dumped my cable and went antenna and bought some streaming including CBSAA and got me some Discovery. Those people on the internet were wrong. This was good science fiction. Season one was kind of dark and things were different but the stories were good. And season two, with Pike and Spock and a few of the others, I feel an ensemble cast has been brought together and episodes that have me looking forward to the next. I've never felt this way about ST before.

I'm worried the plan is to change out the best parts of the cast and start fresh season three. I hope not. I'm attached to these characters and hope the plan is to ditch the Discovery and board the Enterprise for the adventures of Pike's crew. This crew, these writers, this is the best ST I've ever watched!

That's what I have to say about Discovery on the anything goes thread. I hope I placed this in the right thread. Be kind. It's my first time! I didn't mean to write so much.

 

[Cyrus]

As a new person here I'd like to tell you all what I think of Discovery. First, I look at TOS and love it for what it is but it's so dated. I own the movies TMP thru TFF and they thrilled me in their time. Now I feel they never really tried to do much more than make money. Those movies are only good for nostalgia for the original cast IMO
with very few good ideas/
I thought TNG was embarrassing to watch although as the show matured it wasn't as bad. The TNG movies were like long TV episodes but at least it looked good on the big screen. I didn't see all of them. They weren't very good really. Voyager, it was a cool looking ship but I remember as Janeway was gathering the crew on the first episode, the show was going to be a let down. DS9, I felt the same and by Enterprise I could barely care enough to tune in. Star Trek was over for me.

Then came the movies 1,2, 3 and the internet was telling me I should hate them for various reasons. But to me, the fun was back and I loved them. They were flawed but way better than anything I'd seen since TOS. I sure hope we get a fourth helping. Maybe a Tarantino version where Quentin plays the Q! That's the kind of stuff he does. I love that guy.

Anyways, I didn't feel like adding to my 200 a month TV bill and didn't watch season 1 of Discovery bit I kept up with it at the various BBs. Discovery, by all accounts was universally hated it seemed.

Then I dumped my cable and went antenna and bought some streaming including CBSAA and got me some Discovery. Those people on the internet were wrong. This was good science fiction. Season one was kind of dark and things were different but the stories were good. And season two, with Pike and Spock and a few of the others, I feel an ensemble cast has been brought together and episodes that have me looking forward to the next. I've never felt this way about ST before.

I'm worried the plan is to change out the best parts of the cast and start fresh season three. I hope not. I'm attached to these characters and hope the plan is to ditch the Discovery and board the Enterprise for the adventures of Pike's crew. This crew, these writers, this is the best ST I've ever watched!

That's what I have to say about Discovery on the anything goes thread. I hope I placed this in the right thread. Be kind. It's my first time! I didn't mean to write so much.

When you said you didn't like DS9 I was thinking of skipping the rest of your post, but you redeemed yourself by saying nice things about Discovery. This is probably the best first post we have ever had in this forum. Welcome!

 

[Tuskin38]

-spoilers-

Wrong thread.

 

[Laurora]

I meant to add that BECAUSE of Discovery I am rewatching DS9, Voyager and may begin Enterprise. I do like Scott Bakula. Discovery has really reignited my love of Star Trek. It's a thing I can feel, like anticipation for Thursday night. I haven't felt that for a television show since Breaking Bad on further back, The Sopranos.

 

[The Habs Fan]

I haven’t seen a blurb posted for Such Sweet Sorrow yet, so here it is from TV Time:

Spoiler

When the USS Discovery’s crucial mission does not go according to plan, Burnham realizes what must ultimately be done. The crew prepares for the battle of a lifetime a Leland’s Control ships get closer.

Seems to support the theory that self-destructing the Discovery gets thwarted.

 

[Cyrus]

I meant to add that BECAUSE of Discovery I am rewatching DS9, Voyager and may begin Enterprise.

I did rewatch all the Trek series before season 2 of Discovery. DS9 is as great as I remembered. I liked Voyager better on the rewatch. Enterprise season 3 and 4 are great.