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Wasn't she a captain in the Mirror Universe?
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Wasn't she a captain in the Mirror Universe?
I don't know who said all of that, but all of those things are part of why I like Discovery. All you had about the 23rd Century before was TOS. Now, in this series, we have a place to apply all those other elements. In particular, I like all the '70s elements I spot in Disco.
And I hope they stay thrown off.
Though I'm not sure why we're caring what some rando on some other site said, the complaint is silly.
Of course the aliens created solely for the novels would (and ideally should) be more elaborate than their older TV counterparts, because they don't have to worry about budgetary concerns or makeup/prosthetics being too cumbersome or time consuming. It's fortunate that higher budgets and better technology (both physical and CGI) have allowed aliens to become somewhat more elaborate than the "forehead alien of the week" now. I don't think Diane Duane cornered the market on unconventional aliens, though.
As far as the other authors besides Duane mentioned, he or she simply says it's like this author and that author but doesn't give any examples to bolster their claims, so it's meaningless without a point of comparison.
And even if it is accurate, why would that be a bad thing to be inspired by elements of some of the older Trek novels in making an updated pre-TOS series?
Of course the aliens created solely for the novels would (and ideally should) be more elaborate than their older TV counterparts, because they don't have to worry about budgetary concerns or makeup/prosthetics being too cumbersome or time consuming. It's fortunate that higher budgets and better technology (both physical and CGI) have allowed aliens to become somewhat more elaborate than the "forehead alien of the week" now. I don't think Diane Duane cornered the market on unconventional aliens, though.
As far as the other authors besides Duane mentioned, he or she simply says it's like this author and that author but doesn't give any examples to bolster their claims, so it's meaningless without a point of comparison.
And even if it is accurate, why would that be a bad thing to be inspired by elements of some of the older Trek novels in making an updated pre-TOS series?
Especially since the 24th Century had 21 seasons between TNG, DS9, and VOY, while the 23rd Century only had three with TOS. There's a lot that wasn't known or seen about the 23rd Century, so a lot of assumptions crept in. But there were also novels, comics, and other media to fill in the gaps and elaborate on the time period. If you don't draw from novels, or whatever else you can, the 23rd Century would stay barren compared to the 24th.
And with so many great concepts thought up in the 50 years since TOS was cancelled, it would be a shame not to see at least some of it incorporated into TV and canon.
Plus, the sheer quantity of Star Trek written material in the last 50 plus years, leaves little room for the current Producers to expound upon, without occasionally touching previously explored ideas.
Fandom, both Professional and Amature, has gone to the Star Trek Well so many times that it's almost impossible to create new concepts without it feeling like it's been done before.
(which doesn't mean it can't be done)
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Another random thought...
(boy one's mind drifts so often when one gets 'old')
I would love to see an episode at some point (doesn't have to be DISCOVERY), which gives us a profound moment in which StarFleet and the Federation actually needed to put "General Order-1" into effect.
I've always imagined it being something to do with a StarFleet Captain (like Ron Tracy) completely fuking-up a planet or star system to the point of its destruction or at the very least completely destroying an alien civilization, while trying to help.
I had hoped that ENTERPRISE would have tackled something to that effect in a grand way in Season 5, but alas, it was never to be.
(boy one's mind drifts so often when one gets 'old')
I would love to see an episode at some point (doesn't have to be DISCOVERY), which gives us a profound moment in which StarFleet and the Federation actually needed to put "General Order-1" into effect.
I've always imagined it being something to do with a StarFleet Captain (like Ron Tracy) completely fuking-up a planet or star system to the point of its destruction or at the very least completely destroying an alien civilization, while trying to help.
I had hoped that ENTERPRISE would have tackled something to that effect in a grand way in Season 5, but alas, it was never to be.
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I'll say this much: This season I don't feel like I'm in a constant state of warfare defending Discovery against detractors. This time one year ago it was constant. I was on hard defense against relentless offense. Right now some are still holding the line, but this isn't so bad.
Yes, I've been recording too many hockey games.
Yes, I've been recording too many hockey games.
Agreed. But, I think the big thing that still bugs me a little is that the new lines being drawn (because people can't simply exist, they need to draw lines apparently) are comparing S1 to S2. Like "you're either a S1 person or a S2 person." Which, of course, is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
I loved S1 for how different it was from other Trek products...and I like S2 for how different it is from S1.
I simply hope that, in separating itself from S1, it doesn't become homogenous with 100's of hours of previous franchise products that had become stale and over-done.
I'm really hoping that the inclusion of Mirror Georgeau, Tyler, and L'Rell are integral and meaningful to the overall arc.
I've noticed on some shows that the producers / show runners get too personally fond of actors (they become "part of the family"), and try to shoehorn them back into the narrative even after their story has really concluded and/or there's no organic reason for their return. I love Latif, Chiefo and (obviously) Yeoh...but I really sincerely hope there's a story connection here, and that they didn't write them in so it can be a bit of a "family reunion."
With only 14 episodes, and a seemingly complex and engaging arc this season, I don't want to waste an episode on "meanwhile, back on Kronos...."
I've noticed on some shows that the producers / show runners get too personally fond of actors (they become "part of the family"), and try to shoehorn them back into the narrative even after their story has really concluded and/or there's no organic reason for their return. I love Latif, Chiefo and (obviously) Yeoh...but I really sincerely hope there's a story connection here, and that they didn't write them in so it can be a bit of a "family reunion."
With only 14 episodes, and a seemingly complex and engaging arc this season, I don't want to waste an episode on "meanwhile, back on Kronos...."
How does having a female chief engineer count as evidence of DSC being kitbashed?
Is it somehow impossible for a woman to be an Engineer unless she's been 'inspired by Torres'? There were female engineers on other shows, and they presumably wanted to be Chief Engineer someday, too.
Maybe pike had a female chief in one of the novels?
the USS Kitbash was one of the ships at Wolf 359
Way way late to the party, hi everyone! Just got thru S1. Yeah I see what the haters were complaining about. The characters need to become more likable and charismatic, and the show needs to depend less on big plot twists, some of which are pretty damn easy to figure out. I'm sure you guys had Tyler figured out from the first scene, right? Hahaha man Starfleet can be silly at times. Let's take this guy with the questionable explanation how he survived Klingon imprisonment, who "fights like a Klingon" but seems forgetful about his own backstory, and make him head of security!
I'm with ya on Tyler and L'Rell. They were the highlight of the season for me. Not really sold on Mirror Geogiou, but she's getting her own show, so maybe she's busy there.
Tyler could become one of the most interestingly frakked-up Star Trek characters in a long time. I'm a big Niner and miss the good old days when the recurring villains were the best part of the show, stealing scenes from the relatively vanilla Starfleet characters. Fingers crossed for Tyler becoming this show's Dukat or at least Weyoun.
I'm with ya on Tyler and L'Rell. They were the highlight of the season for me. Not really sold on Mirror Geogiou, but she's getting her own show, so maybe she's busy there.
Tyler could become one of the most interestingly frakked-up Star Trek characters in a long time. I'm a big Niner and miss the good old days when the recurring villains were the best part of the show, stealing scenes from the relatively vanilla Starfleet characters. Fingers crossed for Tyler becoming this show's Dukat or at least Weyoun.
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