Yes, I would have liked to have seen more of her too. I feel that way about several done in one Trek characters.
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That list for me is very long.
I never said there was anything wrong with it?
I was suggesting they didn't us much of her longing to be a senior officer to chew on, and then all of a sudden, promotion. Yay.
The part where you said a story "either moves the viewer or it doesn't"? I didn't realise that was supposed to be an explanation.
It goes without saying that a character storyline will hit harder after 100 episodes of getting to know them, than 1 episode.
Simple.
His opinion matters as much as anyone else's. The only reason I brought him up because he's a very popular voice on Trek and Star Wars and 90% of the time he's extremely positive about either. He made a great video about how none of the emotional beats in Discovery work because the series is trying to fast forward drama and development.
Did she get promoted? I thought she went from cadet to ensign. Which is what happens when you're done with your studies.
This is just hogwash. If it took an entire season to develop emotional investment, why does Romeo and Juliet work? Or The Notebook? Or Pixar's Inside Out? The first 10 MINUTES of Pixar's Up? My Girl? Titanic? Marley and Me? Or the original TNG Lower Decks episode? Or O Henry's The Gift of the Magi? Writers can elicit emotion using storytelling techniques in ANY amount of story length. I will give you an example. An emotional story told in 6 words.
For Sale.
Baby shoes.
Never used.
You'remissing the point. Of course emotional investment can happen in a short space of time, but most of those things you mention are a couple of hours long. Discovery has the luxury of SEASONS to tell their story. Why fast forward emotional development and drama?
Exactly. Titanic didn't get me, but as I alluded to above, I was sobbing before the opening title card with ST 2009. Discovery also hits me where I live.
Mileage clearly varies.
While I don’t agree with much that they’ve done, especially in regards to Michael Burnham, it is their call to make. And since CBS keeps renewing the show, they’re obviously successful at it, regardless of what I think.
No, respectfully, YOU seem to be missing the point. I very specifically alluded to everything from a 2 hour movie, 1.5 hour movie, a TV episode, the first 10 minutes of a movie, a short story. to 6 words. To show emotional connection can happen at ANY length.
This is a different question. Could they have done it over the course of two seasons? Of course they COULD have. But probably due to a frequent change in showrunners or possible because they felt the shorter seasons didn't allow for a lot of supporting character work, that just wasn't an option they felt was available to them. But whether they COULD have done it a different way, doesn't mean the way they DID do it was unsuccessful. Again, good writers can elicit emotion in just about any length. The Gift of the Magi doesn't suffer for being a short story, but could probably have been stretched to a full novel. UP could have stretched the entirety of Ellie and Carl's relationship across Act 1, but they chose to compress it down to about 10 minutes, and it was beautiful and made me cry. Airiam's development could have been stretched over seasons 1 and 2, but they put it all in one episode and it was beautiful and made me cry. And the writer of that episode is the new showrunner for season 3. That makes me very hopeful.
Why wouldn't it be?
@EnderAKH last two posts pretty much echos how I would've responded to your second point.
Never heard of him in my 50 plus years of fandom.
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I’ve only been watching Star Trek since the TOS reruns and neither know or care who he is. I audit media and decide for myself if I like it and why.
I’ve never heard of EC Henry, and I doubt you would care what he thought if you didn’t agree with whatever he has said.
EC Henry looks like another YouTube personality. Clicks for cash!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPmnhtABNKjwsrln3xP0Cig
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPmnhtABNKjwsrln3xP0Cig
Let me guess: "Jar Jar Abrams!", "STD sucks!", "Orville rules!", "What have they done to Picard?" "SJWs!" "Mandalorian rules!", "Lower Decks is childish!"... the usual stuff? Am I in the ballpark?
I didn’t click on anything. I figure if people want to see what he is, they should do it without my thoughts clouding what they see.
I don't mind being clouded. But if Kpnuts likes him, I'm going to assume he's of that variety. I've got enough recommendations in my YouTube feed that I don't want to watch.
Because it's kind of stating the obvious? Of course a storyline will move someone or it won't. Of course it's possible to move someone in the space of a two hour film, but when you have the luxury of dozens and dozens of hours, I expect better.
The Airiam episode made a poster cry, great, I suspect it would have hit an even higher note had Discovery spent one of those mirror universe episodes actually getting to know her.
My recommendation is to only use YouTube to watch music videos.
We will never know. But the episode does seem to be fairly popular here. You are going to have to accept that people are different, and aren’t necessarily looking for the same things you are.
Quantity doesn't equal quality. There are probably hundreds of characters in serialized TV who's development over seasons pales in comparison to what was done for Airiam in one episode.
The Airiam episode did exactly what you requested.
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